Hey, ya'll!
I'm a Fool for School!
I'm  here to remind  y'all who are grads and undergrads to avoid  private/institutional  loans.  If your school offers you one to "help  pay expenses," DON'T DO  IT!  Stick to federal loans (e.g. Stafford,  Direct, Perkins, etc.) if  you need a loan.  Or credit cards, which can  be wiped during  bankruptcy.  In fact, if you, personally, have to pay A  DIME for grad  school, DON'T GO!  Unless it's a professional degree  with actual job  opportunities.  You know, like law or business school.   And even then,  pray for a job every night!
Why do you need to  SAY NO TO PRIVATE STUDENT LOANS?  Because the  school will take your  stuff if you're out of work and can't pay them  back. Srsly!  The  government will take your stuff too (eventually) but  they now have all  sorts of fancy programs to help you when you're in  trouble.  You have  to screw up royally for the feds to come after you  now.  That may even  change a bit (for the better) in the next few years  (I hope).  But your  school or a private lender?  They'll take grandma's  dying bequest to  you and sell it for $1 to apply to the debt.  Srsly!
(A freakin' "read more" link should go here, but Blogger's treating me like I'm her bitch.)
My tale of College Misery:
Some  readers will recall those  halcyon days of the late 80s and early 90s  when professors were on the  lookout for THE NEXT GREAT SCHOLAR.  They  kept an eagle-eye on their  students and directed notables with a  scholastic aptitude to "think  about grad school."  At one time, this  was a Good Thing [TM] because the  expansion of tertiary education in  the US was forecast to require more  workers (which it did).  Oh, and  there was that report with the  prediction of MASSIVE retirements in the  humanities that was going to  create a need for more PhDs; same  eventually was said of the sciences.   Too bad those people never  retired.  (And when/if they did retire, those  faculty lines got  converted to adjunct contracts in too many cases.)
But, by the  mid-90s, this job trajectory was starting to prove  problematic.  After  telling me I was "gifted," my undergraduate mentor  proceeded to "help"  me apply to an esoteric grad program at a VERY  EXPENSIVE school for a  discipline with about a dozen or so departments  across the country.   She also told me to expect to have to pay for the  first year because  "that seemed to be how things run now."  Great  teacher, bad career  advice-giver.
In those Luddite-lovin', pre-Internet days, the  information about  grad programs was scarce, and job statistics of  graduates from those  programs were all but non-existent.  Programs  filled pamphlets with  descriptions of all the fancy, fantastic jobs  their grads got!  Gee, if  you just worked hard, and performed well, the  future was ripe for the  pickin'!  Except it wasn't.  Once inside the  belly of the beast, the  other grad students told you the REAL STORY,  like how those fancy jobs  had been acquired without the degree you were  working to get or from a  different degree (from a program before this  school or after), or how  those fancy jobs were examples from 10-20  YEARS PRIOR at  institutions/workplaces that no longer existed or hadn't  hired in a  decade.  But the (unwitting? delusional? deadwood?)  proffies were still  lying when they told us we could expect to graduate  and find TT jobs for  $45-55K a year.  It's 15 years later and few  disciplines (save the  professional schools and many sciences) can  expect to start out making  that NOW!
So, yeah, in 1995 I took  out this new-fangled thing to help me pay  that rabidly high tuition: an  institutional loan.  It was relatively  small as student loans go: just  $5k.  It was to replace a Perkins loan  (they ran out of money!  wow!   how could THAT happen?!?!) so I took it  in lieu of quitting an  almost-complete degree.  It's been a shitstorm  ever since!  They would  lose deferment forms.  They would lose  forbearance forms.  They  demanded payment even though I was in the  6-month "find a job, you  deadbeat" grace period after getting the  degree.  They even demanded  payment while I was in deferment while  attending another school.  By  the end, I had paid it down to $4K and was  working as an adjunct.
Enter  the economic meltdown of 2008!  (Yeah, over a decade later  thanks to  them finally honoring deferments).  Job loss.  Income  reduction.   Consolidation loan finalized.  One loan disappears off  records.  No  idea this isn't normal; apparently the loan record remains  with a zero  balance for those of you who didn't know (like me!).  Loan  apparently  slips through the cracks because, guess what, it's not  eligible!   Reappears on records at time of lawsuit. (Why did it  disappear?  Nobody  can tell me!)  Demand for payment.  Inability to  repay what they want.   Arrival of sheriffs to levy property for the  payment of $4K.  No,  wait -- it's now $7K!  Holy crap!
Morals of the story:
1.)  DON'T TAKE ANY INSTITUTIONAL STUDENT LOANS!  Don't do it.  Run away.  Live under a bridge.  Just. Don't. Do. It.  Srsly!
2.)    If your school thinks adjuncting their courses = student aid, they  are a  crap school and you need to RUN AWAY NOW!  As a graduate student   teacher/ teaching assistant, you deserve tuition remission and a  stipend  equal to a living wage ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE.  Full stop.
3.)   You know how all those debt gurus tell you that student  loan debt  is "good debt"?  Liars.  All of them.  Don't over-use your  credit  cards, but, if you have to, use them for books and living  expenses.   Don't use loan money for anything but tuition and major  expenses like  health insurance.  Your credit cards can be wiped or  re-arranged in  bankruptcy.  STUDENT LOANS ARE WITH YOU FOR LIFE!  You  can and will  bounce back from bankruptcy, but how will it feel when you  have to tell  mom that some sheriff took her mom's favorite brooch for  auction?  You  know, the one that's been in the family since 1923.  The  crappy piece  of costume jewelry that everyone remembers gram wearing in  her wedding  photo.  They'll take it, you can bet on it.  And they'll  also take your  computer and television and books etc.
4.)  People have  forgotten the controversy of the early 00s when  several colleges and  universities openly admitted (and were praised in  some places for)  capriciously raising tuition to compete with one another.  Notice  how no one  mentions that anymore, especially since those schools found  ABSOLUTELY  NECESSARY ways to spend that extra income (new buildings,  better dorms,  coaches whose salaries rival and often exceed those of  professional  coaches, rock-climbing walls in the rec center, rabid  expansion of  administrative staff and their salaries, etc.) while  simultaneously  writing off their cash-strapped grads and faculty (while  also expanding  the ranks of the former and shrinking the latter).  How  about helping  your alumni, colleges?  Or not making their lives Hell  just because you  can?  Some of y'all have larger endowments now than you  did in the  80s, so why not spend it instead of "investing" it to make  some  businessmen and businesswomen more wealthy than they already are?
5.)  Don't be a fool!  Don't go to grad school!  (At least not if you or your parents are footing the bill!)  Srsly!
You can easily use a transfer check from a credit card company to pay off other debts, such as students loans, albeit with a typical 3% transfer fee.
ReplyDeleteSo your assertion that student loans can't be wiped clean in bankruptcy isn't 100% accurate, as you can transfer them to a credit card (if you have the available balance) and then declare bankruptcy.
Not that bankruptcy is a good thing, however! It can totally screw you, and forget about getting another loan, such as a mortgage!
I know hindsight is 20/20, but...
ReplyDeleteI've found there is a lot of wisdom in the idea of spending 2 years working and saving before going to grad school. Being part of a connected industry and learning a language during these 2 years can help get you into a better school (if you spend it wisely) and you can save the money to get through that first year instead of borrowing.
A lot of grad schools now require the first year paid.
Strange: I paid that first year, and went on into the field and am earning a decent (middle class) salary. The 7 people I know who got fellowships/PAships/TAships and received a tuition remission for the first year all quit the program without degrees.
Anecdotal, I know, but maybe there is something to the whole putting your money where your mouth is.
All in all, though: avoid loans like the plague. They aren't free. They really really aren't. You are selling half your life, if only you knew...
No Cookies, did we read the same item? I think Fool4School actually said just what you said, only a little differently:
ReplyDeleteYour argument is for paying off a student loan (with a credit card), not about using a bankruptcy to clear a student loan. The 2 are distinctly different unless you have a card with a 20K+ limit for Stafford loans.
Oddly enough, some people still think that federal loans can be expunged in bankruptcy; only old ones can be (I think the cut off is 2001 or something).
I'm sorry, but Fool4School was beaten to the punch by Thomas H. Benton (William Pennapacker)
ReplyDeletea year ago. In a CHE column* titled "Graduate School in the Humanities: Just Don't Go" he brought up the horrendous debt load, but he also pointed out that most humanites grads will be ten years behind their age cohort when they actually get down to working in academia (and then they will be doing the adjunct shuffle.) His advice was like Fool4School's: don't go if you have to pay, but he added on provisos such as not going if you aren't independently wealthy, or academically connected, or earning a credential for a job you already have, or have a partner that is willing to be the provider. Benton has written four or five columns like this in the past decade at the Chronicle and all of them have met deafening silence from professors.
On the "Luddite" comment: By 1995 the cheesy little community college I was going to had two computers hooked up to the virtual wasteland but even then it was very basic**. F4S needed to "shop around" and find graduate students in similar fields and ask them how it was going and not rely on an instructor, but then, if you remember the 1990s you remember how insanely optomistic the decade was (new economy, post-Cold War triumphalism, day-trading, etc.)
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* dated January 30, 2009. Back in the Bush II years he wrote a column asking if graduate school was a cult.
** No search engines but `bots, no streaming video, grainy photos, gray web pages, no secured sites, people who would run their site through an encoder so it would look like gibberish, no streaming video, no mp3s, FAQ files in ASCII, no way to read websites coded in non latin scripts, no webblogs until 1999-2000 and even then they were just online diaries. Hell, even NASA's mission control was still using 1970s mini-computers into the 1990s.