tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post2642047801070026191..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: A Friday Thirsty on Ba(l)d Lying.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-16245328121108017052013-04-24T23:27:22.822-04:002013-04-24T23:27:22.822-04:00I once plagiarized unintentionally in high school....I once plagiarized unintentionally in high school. My teacher gave us the speech about getting lots of research and making notes from our sources before writing the essay. I left it until the last minute so I just propped up my material and started typing. I thought I could write the essay and cite my sources without any problems, no notes needed. I guess what I wrote sounded way too close to my J.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04844188434735415027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-68374989394852801102013-04-14T17:05:17.317-04:002013-04-14T17:05:17.317-04:00They lie because they want to get away with it. It...They lie because they want to get away with it. It's an impulse that has nothing to do with their assessment of us. In the moment they are caught, they are completely self-centered and just want to escape.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02906546940408742913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-25317790604910535782013-04-14T17:02:07.791-04:002013-04-14T17:02:07.791-04:00Love it.Love it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02906546940408742913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-30292756144805183792013-04-14T16:28:47.827-04:002013-04-14T16:28:47.827-04:00My my new favorite excuse for plagiarism (in this ...My my new favorite excuse for plagiarism (in this case, an essay copied entirely from Wikipedia): 'It was an honest mistake.'Enoch Soameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14951817033911216350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-34933770046823707612013-04-14T06:02:19.038-04:002013-04-14T06:02:19.038-04:00I dunno. I honestly get the idea that they just d...I dunno. I honestly get the idea that they just don't want to admit it face to face. Like they are a little ashamed and want to save some face. Maybe I am wrong. <br /><br />Also, they have just a little too much faith in their tap dancing skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c8XLJ9MEhk <br /><br />Ahem. Not everyone can be Billy Flynn.Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15686242633678466958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-80915469760080006502013-04-13T18:52:12.023-04:002013-04-13T18:52:12.023-04:00My last department head was good for that.
The on...My last department head was good for that.<br /><br />The only reason he ever took that job was as way of getting chummy with the dean's office with the intention of eventually taking over. If there was an incident, he always had some excuse for not dealing with it rather than, usually claiming he was busy doing something other than his job. Anything which might show that he was a negligentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-34673600466014112212013-04-13T17:42:19.309-04:002013-04-13T17:42:19.309-04:00Admin-flakes, especially of the upper-echelon Acad...Admin-flakes, especially of the upper-echelon Academic nature, will NEVER pass up the opportunity to blame someone other than the paying "customer", especially when it'll also help keep the chattel in line...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-86388372692405240352013-04-13T14:26:07.426-04:002013-04-13T14:26:07.426-04:00The new all-purpose excuse: "It's not my ...The new all-purpose excuse: "It's not my fault!"Lucy, Countess of Bedfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181713706519539554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-29791476752606211132013-04-13T13:47:25.561-04:002013-04-13T13:47:25.561-04:00Ooh! I had another deep thought. I watch "C...Ooh! I had another deep thought. I watch "Cops" on TV on occasion. <br /><br />The main excuses after being caught after a foot/car chase:<br /> "I wuz scared."<br /> "I didn't do nothin'."<br /> "I only had two beers."<br /><br />These dovetail nicely with the rote excuses done in school. There must be a manual out there somewhere for easyCrayonEaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10126396989880932207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-21251256638466310862013-04-13T10:13:16.702-04:002013-04-13T10:13:16.702-04:00Ben, the "glory of the group" makes a lo...Ben, the "glory of the group" makes a lot of sense in light of my experiences. I'll pass that along, if you don't mind.<br /><br />Yesterday, I met with a plagiarist who claimed that she didn't understand how to use quotation marks.Lucy, Countess of Bedfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181713706519539554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-30861150708689682542013-04-13T09:18:42.425-04:002013-04-13T09:18:42.425-04:00They have other fine qualities but, yeah, it's...They have other fine qualities but, yeah, it's odd behavior. I suspect they just don't want to deal with the shit storm that would erupt when they start checking for plagiarism. I fear that they would catch everybody.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-29193229935353683882013-04-13T00:08:43.420-04:002013-04-13T00:08:43.420-04:00NLAA: Okay. Just to be clear, I wasn't tryin...NLAA: Okay. Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to say coming from a certain place makes you more likely to cheat. Everybody is capable of cheating regardless of their origin or their cultural background. When I say "group" I mean their group of friends. I'll leave it at that.The Naughty Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234624349205271144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-43247083743085083362013-04-13T00:04:23.601-04:002013-04-13T00:04:23.601-04:00Because they suck.Because they suck.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-1610042573648384152013-04-12T22:04:23.155-04:002013-04-12T22:04:23.155-04:00Because they have gotten so used to lying about ev...Because they have gotten so used to lying about everything. The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-68564140712018698702013-04-12T21:30:40.495-04:002013-04-12T21:30:40.495-04:00TNP:
I believe the incident I mentioned was a cas...TNP:<br /><br />I believe the incident I mentioned was a case of one friend helping another. Where they were from just happened to be coincidence. There may have been people in our department who might not have thought so.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44294485088596956832013-04-12T21:27:48.338-04:002013-04-12T21:27:48.338-04:00TNP:
I believe the incident I mentioned was a cas...TNP:<br /><br />I believe the incident I mentioned was a case of one friend helping another. Where they were from just happened to be coincidence. There may have been people in our department who might not have thought so.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-91302135406866461822013-04-12T21:27:03.566-04:002013-04-12T21:27:03.566-04:00Ben: I've seen the same sort of warped thinkin...Ben: I've seen the same sort of warped thinking, and I mention it to the students. "I know some of you want to help your friends succeed, but if they can't succeed on their own then they aren't succeeding at all. You are only succeeding in circumventing natural selection, and weakening the herd."The Naughty Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234624349205271144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-33319845236532682522013-04-12T21:20:23.452-04:002013-04-12T21:20:23.452-04:00I have been taught and, to some extent, I have lea...I have been taught and, to some extent, I have learned that there are cultural differences that affect students' perception of cheating and plagiarism. In the most general terms, Middle Eastern, Indian and southeast Asian students' concept of "honor" focuses more on the honor of the group rather than the honor of the individual.<br /><br />If you were a student from this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-59700582146869022652013-04-12T20:58:54.900-04:002013-04-12T20:58:54.900-04:00NLAA: I will NOT say if one group is more likely ...NLAA: I will NOT say if one group is more likely to cheat than another, but I will say this: In my experience when a student does cheat, they almost always cheat within their own group. The Naughty Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234624349205271144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-67358328628999700122013-04-12T20:11:27.594-04:002013-04-12T20:11:27.594-04:00The only time my last department head backed me in...The only time my last department head backed me in a cheating incident happened soon after he took office. Several years later, I had my Ph. D. and his greatest desire was to have me fired. By then, anything the students did wrong was either my fault (because I made it so hard that if they didn't cheat, they wouldn't have passed) or my imagination.<br /><br />This is from someone who Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-41335377893659309882013-04-12T20:08:00.666-04:002013-04-12T20:08:00.666-04:00I noticed something suspicious when I was a TA for...I noticed something suspicious when I was a TA for a certain course during my Ph. D. residency. The sessional lecturer told me privately one day that he suspected that some of the foreign students were copying from each other. It confirmed my suspicions when I thought saw one of my fellow TAs doing the work for one of her fellow countrymen.<br /><br />I didn't say anything because I couldn&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-4229199322351759532013-04-12T18:47:57.787-04:002013-04-12T18:47:57.787-04:00Ben, please start on the cultural differences. I ...Ben, please start on the cultural differences. I have my own observations but I would love to read yours.The Naughty Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234624349205271144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-65725141466157462502013-04-12T18:45:48.598-04:002013-04-12T18:45:48.598-04:00p.s. If you have a high school admin that backs t...p.s. If you have a high school admin that backs this, that's fantastic, but I am sure that you realize that your situation is the exception not the rule. The Naughty Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234624349205271144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-52771200178489645722013-04-12T18:42:08.997-04:002013-04-12T18:42:08.997-04:00"I'm not a fucking idiot." said the ..."I'm not a fucking idiot." said the person who posted the same thing twice. ;-) I'm teasing in a friendly way of course. To be fair, I don't actually think all high school teachers or parents are idiots, but enough of them are to make the kids turn out like this. I also don't think all college/university professors are necessarily intelligent. Peace to you, Mrs. C.The Naughty Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234624349205271144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-67624033136539361682013-04-12T18:25:24.545-04:002013-04-12T18:25:24.545-04:00I'm not a fucking idiot. I teach high school. ...I'm not a fucking idiot. I teach high school. And when they plagiarize, I give them zeros. And my administration backs me. And when they plagiarize a second time in my or another's class, they take a zero for the course and my administration backs me/us. And they weep. And they moan. But they do not beg, and they do not say it was an accident. And they re-do the fucking paper in my face, Mrs. Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00398436173535554878noreply@blogger.com