tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post5601461229724781989..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Meany gets earnest and climbs up on the College Misery soapboxUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53025468059405046622010-09-01T13:47:15.910-04:002010-09-01T13:47:15.910-04:00Actually, my argument began before Beth said a wor...Actually, my argument began before Beth said a word. And my comments about Beth's teacher began with the word "if". <br /><br />I'm hard to fit in shoes, though. I've got a very long second toe.StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-3880488208240521192010-09-01T12:43:40.223-04:002010-09-01T12:43:40.223-04:00Hey, it's pretty simple, Stella. If you weren&...Hey, it's pretty simple, Stella. If you weren't talking about Beth's professor (which you totally were), then I wasn't calling YOU a knee-jerk-reacting judgmental bitch (which I totally was).<br /><br />If you were legitimately referring to somebody else who you have observed over time and seen to actually be spending 80% of their time showing movies to the detriment of their Nemo from National Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15970770437959026380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-31923479520611731782010-09-01T10:19:34.454-04:002010-09-01T10:19:34.454-04:00Seriously? You went to IMDB and hunted down those...Seriously? You went to IMDB and hunted down those movie times so you could hold them up and assumably prove me wrong? Wow. <br /><br />Meanie, I actually was talking about what I personally have seen done. I wasn't doing a minute-by-minute analysis of any particular prof here becuase there wasn't enough information from any of them, and I myself didn't feel like researching the StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-35107210608867860452010-08-31T23:08:03.312-04:002010-08-31T23:08:03.312-04:00Stella, as a parting shot before I completely ditc...Stella, as a parting shot before I completely ditch this persona, you scare me. <br /><br />You have fixated on 80% like a rabid dog on a very tasty thigh bone. I have absolutely <b>NO</b> idea where you got this made-up number, but it wasn’t from Yaro’s post.<br /><br />According to Yaro's post, the following movies (with times acquired from <a href="http://www.imdb.com/" rel="nofollow">TheAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-28650238606014129992010-08-31T21:40:06.321-04:002010-08-31T21:40:06.321-04:00Most psychologists are not psychotherapists.Most psychologists are not psychotherapists.Ovreductdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13961540854552566493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-50002159950380125282010-08-31T16:20:44.285-04:002010-08-31T16:20:44.285-04:00Nemo, you have deliberately left out the sentence ...Nemo, you have deliberately left out the sentence that follows the two you quoted. Which is, "you know what's not going on if the teacher shows full movies every damned week in their entirety?"<br /><br />If Beth's teacher spent 80% of the time showing movies, and showed them every week (there's no indication of that from her synopsis, but it's possible), then yes, I&#StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-8921255657246645322010-08-30T22:38:58.125-04:002010-08-30T22:38:58.125-04:00Really, Stella? You weren't talking about Beth...Really, Stella? You weren't talking about Beth's teacher? Really? I'm afraid I've got to call shenanigans on that one.<br /><br />"You know what is NOT going on if the teacher shows "The Fisher King" one week and "The Dark Crystal" the next, followed by Labyrinth, etc.? You know what's not going on if the teacher shows full movies every damned week in Nemo from National Cityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15970770437959026380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44762645114748253372010-08-30T18:02:35.636-04:002010-08-30T18:02:35.636-04:00Myra, check out Patty's weight-loss advice. S...Myra, check out Patty's weight-loss advice. She's alive and well.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-64588319034772042072010-08-30T16:54:50.742-04:002010-08-30T16:54:50.742-04:00For American Studies proffies, and those in allied...For American Studies proffies, and those in allied fields, part of the problem is the structure of the university schedule.<br /><br />In an ideal world, classes like Yaro's colleague's would be able to be offered like a lab--say, 3 hours of lecture per week, plus one hour of viewing. The viewing could be scheduled at a non-adjacent time, in a separate space, perhaps supervised by a TA.<Dr. Snarkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05927913541614307813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-32406089895637476392010-08-30T13:35:17.594-04:002010-08-30T13:35:17.594-04:00You know what, this group also ran Programming Pat...You know what, this group also ran Programming Patty out of here. She hasn't been back in ages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-74006873444036934222010-08-30T12:31:24.622-04:002010-08-30T12:31:24.622-04:00#1 - Fab, get rid of the spammers, please.
#2 - T...#1 - Fab, get rid of the spammers, please.<br /><br />#2 - Thank (most of) you all for actually engaging this controversy (LOOK! I even brought back the trolls!).<br /><br />#3 - Stella, because you seem to be the lone hold-out (on this thread anyway), I'd offer this sage advice from my wisest mentor in grad school:<br /><br />Sometimes a well-designed assessment is in and of itself a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-17392128358020955972010-08-30T11:17:49.766-04:002010-08-30T11:17:49.766-04:00What happens when an asshole arrives at your party...What happens when an asshole arrives at your party and ruins it for the people who can't avoid him? Party breaks up early.W.T. Pfefferlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522687306482305195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-89731288305476173752010-08-30T10:55:38.355-04:002010-08-30T10:55:38.355-04:00Yeah, I agree with MPEvah...the Meanest Professor ...Yeah, I agree with MPEvah...the Meanest Professor is an asshole. What can we do to get rid of him? Do you need love? Medicine? Let us buy you something so you're not such a creep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-6206547316995250392010-08-30T10:12:23.181-04:002010-08-30T10:12:23.181-04:00OK, skipping right over that previous comment (cuz...OK, skipping right over that previous comment (cuz come ON -- we're supposed to offer snark AND substance, not just nasty name-calling)...<br /><br />I'd get my butt kicked if I showed more than one classroom session's worth of film, and for that reason I only use short films and clips. Feature-length films can be shown in a) film classes with extra evening screenings, and b) the Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-51587069236669633452010-08-30T09:59:12.925-04:002010-08-30T09:59:12.925-04:00Prissy and Mark (and others), I don't think an...Prissy and Mark (and others), I don't think anyone is questioning the use of films in classes. What was pointed out, I think, was the simply showing of films as a replacement for actually teaching. <br /><br />What Prissy notes above does sound like a lot of work, and the integration of films into that class sounds reasonable and very useful. <br /><br />And Mark's use of films makes Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-39518743593200554432010-08-30T09:53:07.171-04:002010-08-30T09:53:07.171-04:00Could you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Get Ovah Yourself...Could you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Get Ovah Yourself, Mean Pro? You're an asshole, and display it on this page endlessly. You confuse rudeness with snark. You're a tiny-brained pissant who uses classic bully strategy to get your 5 seconds in the sun.<br /><br />Fuck you a million times ovah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-56273280472175422842010-08-30T09:37:49.136-04:002010-08-30T09:37:49.136-04:00I use films for a number of reasons.
1. Short clip...I use films for a number of reasons.<br />1. Short clips get the point across quickly. Talking about the Bonus Army is one thing, showing them films of the army attacking their camp is another. <br />2. Variety. 5-10 minutes of a film on a subject we’re covering helps the students keep their focus.<br />3. Sometimes film is itself history. I use various silent films (all short) to spark Middle-Aged and Morosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058963404500281265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-56672500930812903172010-08-30T09:23:55.251-04:002010-08-30T09:23:55.251-04:00I have been watching the posts on this topic prett...I have been watching the posts on this topic pretty closely because I am trying something new this semester with a course I developed for undergraduates. My course sounds similare to what BPB described. Students will read journal articles about topics in The Field, watch episodes of an outstanding television series (sometimes in class; sometimes out of class) which illustrate the topic of the Prissy Profhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06581053595119915513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-36220529637903091312010-08-30T09:04:52.337-04:002010-08-30T09:04:52.337-04:00Beth, I'm not talking about your teacher. I&#...Beth, I'm not talking about your teacher. I'm talking hypothetically about the teachers that show movies 80%+ of class time. That's not a different teaching style. That's avoiding teaching. We both basically agree that if all you do is duck and cover, you're a lazy shit. So we're not in disagreement. <br /><br />But you're very wrong that we can't know what&#StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-38231465997447738412010-08-30T04:52:35.383-04:002010-08-30T04:52:35.383-04:00@Stella-
A) This prof was Emeritus, trained at Ox...@Stella-<br /><br />A) This prof was Emeritus, trained at Oxford, and knew his Jungian psychology and its affect on postmodernism backwards and forwards. I think he was "teaching" quite a bit.<br /><br />B) I learned a hell of a lot in that class. Why? Because we had to *actively* watch the film. This wasn't filler. I took reams of notes on those movies so I could compare them Bipolar Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01617160535356362627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-3425690685537563112010-08-30T04:40:48.790-04:002010-08-30T04:40:48.790-04:00I'm with Meanest. Back off. There are dozens...I'm with Meanest. Back off. There are dozens of reasons to use films in classes, and one of the main ones is that students have seen so many films that they are very sophisticated viewers, and that can be leveraged into discussion of texts.Merely Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452389428113097744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-74472573938073864192010-08-30T02:56:56.177-04:002010-08-30T02:56:56.177-04:00For those of you who are adjuncts or otherwise tem...For those of you who are adjuncts or otherwise temporarily employed at universities...I hope you don't give a flying fuck what goes on in someone else's class...I know I sure don't. I've shown a couple of short clips, I've had students read a couple of transcripts that they were supposed to have read ahead of time. Let's not rip on others without really being a fly on theDr. Crankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544814759723000405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-27788466874899560212010-08-30T01:49:27.743-04:002010-08-30T01:49:27.743-04:00You know what is NOT going on if the teacher shows...You know what is NOT going on if the teacher shows "The Fisher King" one week and "The Dark Crystal" the next, followed by Labyrinth, etc.? You know what's not going on if the teacher shows full movies every damned week in their entirety? When you consider that along with allowing time for a potty break, a couple of reminders when the midterm is, and some inane questionsStellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-58997689047195544652010-08-30T01:36:43.258-04:002010-08-30T01:36:43.258-04:00I love Meany!
I used to get into the "others...I love Meany!<br /><br />I used to get into the "others"-bashing that often goes on in universities, but then, I actually talked to people who taught those subjects and realized that they are not [insert adjectives used to describe some academic group here]. I got out of two PhD programs simply because I got tired of the petty, bullshit mocking that was going on in those programs. Well,Mathsquatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01214283890697119803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69841502551377055322010-08-30T01:11:00.465-04:002010-08-30T01:11:00.465-04:00Oh, and I once took a 400-level English Lit class ...Oh, and I once took a 400-level English Lit class entitled "Archetype and Myth" where we read a book each week and then watched a movie and compared the two. We watched "The Fisher King" and compared it to Chretien de Troyes and Hemingway. We watched "The Dark Crystal" and compared it to Jung and Eliot and Yeats. We watched effing "Labyrinth" and Bipolar Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01617160535356362627noreply@blogger.com