tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post5887777776989249693..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: friday night drunk decline of civilizationUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-39630872284904104832013-09-22T11:24:42.253-04:002013-09-22T11:24:42.253-04:00So when the WSJ prints that the sun rises in the e...So when the WSJ prints that the sun rises in the east, or editorials supporting mainstream climate science as they do from time to time, does your head asplode? A true thing is true even if the WSJ says it, and it's dismaying to see another scientist forget everything he knows about fallacies once politics is involved--and even more dismaying to see him double down on the <i>ad hominem</i> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08119100121479821544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-30831785032216217802013-09-22T06:51:50.649-04:002013-09-22T06:51:50.649-04:00Then a "a 'verdictive' approach, a po...Then a "a 'verdictive' approach, a politicized view of issues" is what we can use more of. Otherwise will cost our grandchildren plenty, something to be kept in mind by any conservative complaining about how universities have lost their moral bearings. <br /><br />I agree that the WSJ is a newspaper. It isn't some blank slate: its editors make conscious decisions about what Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-18725808790345289552013-09-21T23:40:56.355-04:002013-09-21T23:40:56.355-04:00So confused. Not sure if I saw something differen...So confused. Not sure if I saw something different or misread what I saw. Bourbon for everyone.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-42744195207102436032013-09-21T20:37:04.923-04:002013-09-21T20:37:04.923-04:00Incidentally, and totally off-topic: I've made...Incidentally, and totally off-topic: I've made a study of the climate "skeptic" movement. The intellectual heavy-hitters in that movement, the ones who write columns in venues like the Wall Street Journal, actually do not disagree in any significant way with the reality or mechanism of climate change--and though you have to press them hard to get them to say so, but they're notAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08119100121479821544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-28308154332700789852013-09-21T20:17:59.483-04:002013-09-21T20:17:59.483-04:00I'm sorry to say, Frod, that your comment is a...I'm sorry to say, Frod, that your comment is an example of what the editorial is talking about.<br /><br />"The WSJ" is not leading anything. It's a newspaper. It hires columnists to write what they think, and they don't all agree with each other, or the editors, or the shareholders, each of whom is a human being with his or her own opinions--just so at the New Yorker or Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08119100121479821544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-33349033632225448682013-09-21T17:58:37.806-04:002013-09-21T17:58:37.806-04:00We're sorry for the delay in checking formatti...We're sorry for the delay in checking formatting items. We've moved the post toward the top of the page.<br /><br />CalCompound Calicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00059155949950433688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-66456950953207610022013-09-21T17:53:53.656-04:002013-09-21T17:53:53.656-04:00Sorry, Bubba, but now that I've read the whole...Sorry, Bubba, but now that I've read the whole article, I think that the WSJ is in a poor position to complain about teachers and texts insisting "upon a 'verdictive' approach, a politicized view of issues" or "ideological scorekeeping." Is it not the WSJ that is leading the disinformation campaign on climate science? Thomas Jefferson would have been appalled, Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53238007972933850542013-09-21T17:45:14.106-04:002013-09-21T17:45:14.106-04:00Yes, but in 1682, we were mainly an agricultural e...Yes, but in 1682, we were mainly an agricultural economy. Now, we're a service economy, with dreams of becoming a knowledge and information economy. Knowledge matters a whole lot more now.<br /><br />And if anyone points out that old fogeys since ancient Greek times have been complaining about how little the young 'uns know, I'll point out that Ancient Greece was conquered by the Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-66551937531811887682013-09-21T17:24:32.330-04:002013-09-21T17:24:32.330-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-55596877761481460752013-09-21T14:36:59.409-04:002013-09-21T14:36:59.409-04:00No, no, it's not necessary to do anything else...No, no, it's not necessary to do anything else. And no one is to blame. Perhaps it would be best to blame bourbon. But that doesn't seem right, either, does it?<br /><br />The folks down in this neck of the woods would say, "If something happened, then it must be because it was meant to happen. The Man Upstairs knows what he's up to."<br /><br />FWIW, I have found a linkSouthern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-57647570445336019432013-09-21T14:10:19.890-04:002013-09-21T14:10:19.890-04:00I'll take the blame. I didn't know the pho...I'll take the blame. I didn't know the photo showed letters to the editor. I thought it was merely text of the article. I will get it back online soon. Apologies. College Miseryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01371354682300032653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44715487039349128212013-09-21T11:00:57.704-04:002013-09-21T11:00:57.704-04:00Peter K. hit it on the nose, both about the proble...Peter K. hit it on the nose, both about the problem and the editorial's quality, but I'll chime in and point out that the writer's complaint about students' ignorance isn't a new complaint. I quote William Penn, writing in 1682:<br /><br />The World is certainly a great and stately Volume of natural Things; and may be not improperly styled the Hieroglyphicks of a better: But, Dr. Mindbenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16916271564719224677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-11174324170324024682013-09-21T10:29:40.028-04:002013-09-21T10:29:40.028-04:00The photo is archived here. And it seems fair-use...The photo is archived <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7WKvZqas5HY/UjzkUcYaF9I/AAAAAAAAAZU/kSAJUtawgt4/s1600/CM-wsj.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a>. And it <i>seems</i> fair-use friendly, but I'm still sobering up and not fully operational.Southern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-70275582445655190202013-09-21T10:26:58.185-04:002013-09-21T10:26:58.185-04:00@F&T: Last night, I had posted a limited amou...@F&T: Last night, I had posted a limited amount of the "letters to the editor" responding to the above op-ed in the WSJ. I was more intrigued by those letters than by the op-ed itself.<br /><br />I almost always assume the RGMs know what is best when it comes to appropriately modifying a post. They have a greater responsibility (e.g., to make the graphics as beautiful/ugly as Southern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-50933363774114892332013-09-21T09:31:30.765-04:002013-09-21T09:31:30.765-04:00Oh, Bubba. I'm with you in some ways, but the...Oh, Bubba. I'm with you in some ways, but the bit about "ideology" is foolish and dated. I'm a far lefty and so are most of my friend-colleagues nationally, and we are all out there just trying to get students to summarize accurately, close read ANYTHING, construct arguments based on what is right there in front of them, and write subject-verb-object sentences. There is no &Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-20950033738693103702013-09-21T09:14:33.890-04:002013-09-21T09:14:33.890-04:00Thanks for the fair use; that's much better no...Thanks for the fair use; that's much better now. (Also, newly-caffeinated is better than red wine-lazy for this.) On the other hand...this reads like a competent high school essay: a survey of well-known complaints, with no new ideas and no sharp edges.<br /><br />And yes, it is an American problem.<br /><br />There must be a kind of Second Law of political economics. Left to themselves, Peter Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00754472537710161295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53110621996524200852013-09-21T07:54:19.375-04:002013-09-21T07:54:19.375-04:00A moderator has attempted to remedy the situation....A moderator has attempted to remedy the situation.College Miseryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01371354682300032653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-84231149607417656972013-09-21T02:47:02.233-04:002013-09-21T02:47:02.233-04:00jesus h, the goddamned paywall. I forgot. Time f...jesus h, the goddamned paywall. I forgot. Time for nonviolent protest. Maybe one of the nice librarians will provide a good link.Southern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-77021054919139978642013-09-20T22:29:08.592-04:002013-09-20T22:29:08.592-04:00Bubba, you are too drunk already; go home and slee...Bubba, you are too drunk already; go home and sleep it off. By following the link, I can read even less of the article than you've posted, without having to subscribe to the WSJ, which I will never do because they insist that climate change isn't real science, when it clearly is. Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-17616202450487273742013-09-20T20:43:13.882-04:002013-09-20T20:43:13.882-04:00I hope Cal is awake and sober and cleans up this m...I hope Cal is awake and sober and cleans up this mess, to whatever extent necessary. Southern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.com