tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post623210972369179840..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Has Lucy, Countess of Bedford Asked a Big Thirsty With No Right Answer?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-57564242831402281312013-06-08T13:08:40.279-04:002013-06-08T13:08:40.279-04:00Please keep us posted. I'd love to hear how th...Please keep us posted. I'd love to hear how this one comes out. Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-38004831479378264272013-06-08T13:08:12.884-04:002013-06-08T13:08:12.884-04:00I like this. I like this. Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69546233474033330002013-06-06T20:38:31.212-04:002013-06-06T20:38:31.212-04:00I see why you might want to help -- the newbies di...I see why you might want to help -- the newbies didn't know what they were getting into and the students may deserve a better course.<br /><br />With all of that, I'd refuse to "help"...i.e. GIVE them course materials you developed and that you know work -- if you aren't "qualified" to teach the course, then your materials aren't good enough either.. <br /><br Inside the Philosophy Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12255753259090709877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-39889152926594332042013-06-06T17:40:05.174-04:002013-06-06T17:40:05.174-04:00CC nailed it.
If the college wants your skills, th...CC nailed it.<br />If the college wants your skills, they need to pay you.Iyrrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06272150097841691708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-6490835918018990462013-06-06T16:48:53.934-04:002013-06-06T16:48:53.934-04:00AAACKKK! I never post, leaving that up to his smar...AAACKKK! I never post, leaving that up to his smarty-pantsness. You tell them to take their crappity-crap-crap CRAP and go fuck themselves. You've already done too much. If you are too polite for this, there's much to be said for being completely unavailable. Be on vacation. Somewhere they can't find you. Haiti, perhaps. Send out an email announcing this and refuse to engage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-4885472552886314612013-06-06T16:06:33.300-04:002013-06-06T16:06:33.300-04:00anything you're obliged to turn over, turn ove...anything you're obliged to turn over, turn over only in print form. Lets the newbies type it out if they want to copy it.<br />Dream-Killerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10899352252923649504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-51740805312093862952013-06-06T16:02:52.869-04:002013-06-06T16:02:52.869-04:00Love, love, love the "consultant" line. ...Love, love, love the "consultant" line. Do it!Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-70673437005357919782013-06-06T14:38:38.892-04:002013-06-06T14:38:38.892-04:00Talk about rubbing salt in a wound. You've don...Talk about rubbing salt in a wound. You've done the basics. You are under no obligation to do more. Fuck THEM!The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-34653703113924745262013-06-06T14:12:06.881-04:002013-06-06T14:12:06.881-04:00I second PC. On this one. You've already been ...I second PC. On this one. You've already been too nice. Be done with that, now. As the brilliant philosopher Leadbelly once sang, " You don't miss your water ~til the well run dry. " they will miss you, I guarantee it.BurntChromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06055976331443607569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-34642442464634148872013-06-06T13:23:41.002-04:002013-06-06T13:23:41.002-04:00As several people have said, you had an obligation...As several people have said, you had an obligation to turn over your syllabus. That's it. I would certainly go the "Oh, yes, I would be happy to help train my replacements. My fee as a independent consultant is $500 an hour plus expenses." <br /><br />I am sorry to hear this happened to you. When the fuckers whine about you not being "collegial," which as The_Myth Professor Chiltepinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087270705989845484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-35866482390226236002013-06-06T12:49:49.995-04:002013-06-06T12:49:49.995-04:00Don't help any more unless they pay you.
You ...Don't help any more unless they pay you.<br /><br />You are no longer being employed to work for that department.<br /><br />Fuck collegiality. It only ever seems to benefit adminicritters.The_Mythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10621186404597424842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-5695663641368791572013-06-06T12:49:05.551-04:002013-06-06T12:49:05.551-04:00There is just so much wrong with this whole situat...There is just so much wrong with this whole situation! Reminds me of a colleague who breezed into a new position, shoved hir predecessor out of the way, refused to even look at copious files left behind by that predecessor, and then complained to administration about the lack of "training" for the position.<br /><br />There is, sadly, no way you can win in this situation so you have to Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14298623277254751613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-1962892855852340892013-06-06T11:02:36.384-04:002013-06-06T11:02:36.384-04:00Beaker, you are generally correct. As someone who...Beaker, you are generally correct. As someone who makes a living dealing with accreditation, there are *some* exceptions to credentialing rules. Within my regional slice of heaven, the basic standards are a minimum of a master’s degree and 18+ graduate hours within the discipline you are teaching. The more advanced courses you are teaching, the higher the expectations for education. That is TK-421https://www.blogger.com/profile/04816780722607630224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-66433780863910656122013-06-06T10:45:46.334-04:002013-06-06T10:45:46.334-04:00I hate the question. On the outside of things I sa...I hate the question. On the outside of things I say, "Fuck 'em all."<br /><br />But I know if it were me, I'd want to help the newbies. I feel for you, though, that's for sure.<br /><br />Good luck!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-86495563870128868422013-06-06T10:23:28.531-04:002013-06-06T10:23:28.531-04:00Unfortunately, I'm becoming more aware of accr...Unfortunately, I'm becoming more aware of accreditation processes. My understanding is that the organizations are open to exceptions but they must be thoroughly documented explained. When admins say, "accreditation won't let us do this," they mean "we don't want to put in the work to do this."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-50993279799945878532013-06-06T10:19:20.120-04:002013-06-06T10:19:20.120-04:00I had the same idea. "I delete all my course...I had the same idea. "I delete all my course materials at the end of the year and rewrite them over the summer. It keeps me up to date with the newest information in my field. I don't want my notes to get stale."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-89837560865279924172013-06-06T10:16:39.970-04:002013-06-06T10:16:39.970-04:00As far as management is concerned the new hires kn...As far as management is concerned the new hires know more than you do. Invite management types to the next meeting and start sentences with phrases such as "As you already know..." or "From your research you know that..." <br /><br />When they looked perplexed give them guidance clearly above their heads and walk out smiling. <br />Sarcastic Bastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01407507896787403097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-22838020870875177852013-06-06T09:53:26.001-04:002013-06-06T09:53:26.001-04:00Asking to see a syllabus is, I think, okay. I'...Asking to see a syllabus is, I think, okay. I'm even happy to share assignments in most circumstances, since different student populations really do need different approaches in terms of pacing, degree of scaffolding/detail in assignments, etc., etc. (at least this is true in the humanities). It makes sense to at least start by conforming fairly closely to local norms, until one gets a Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-55275575569157456422013-06-06T09:47:09.979-04:002013-06-06T09:47:09.979-04:00And I'm sorry. While I hope that accreditatio...And I'm sorry. While I hope that accreditation will be one of the weapons we can use to keep quality (of the courses our institutions offer to their/our students, and of our professional lives) from eroding even further, some accreditation requirements make no sense whatsoever. I have a colleague who can no longer teach at the local cc, because she has a Ph.D. from a(n) (nationally-known, Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-16341835795027462462013-06-06T09:33:45.922-04:002013-06-06T09:33:45.922-04:00I agree with EC1. We just did accreditation, and ...I agree with EC1. We just did accreditation, and the folks were very interested in feedback from all kinds of sources.<br /><br />This situation makes me really angry. I don't think you should share anything. I wish you could take back what you shared already. <br /><br />I think the best way to handle it is to just be unavailable. Don't return phone calls. Get really busy and never Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15686242633678466958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-27382751455466366692013-06-06T09:32:21.978-04:002013-06-06T09:32:21.978-04:00You owe everybody a copy of your syllabus (if the ...You owe everybody a copy of your syllabus (if the accreditation process is anything like ours, they should have been gathering and archiving those each semester anyway, but it doesn't always happen). <br /><br />Beyond that, nothing. If you've got a set of materials that work well, maybe you should be in negotiations with a textbook/online course publisher (or selling the course yourselfContingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-50961650023033435572013-06-06T09:15:48.290-04:002013-06-06T09:15:48.290-04:00I think that if it were me (never won any "be...I think that if it were me (never won any "being nice" prizes) I would let the accreditation people know about this in some way....EC1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13414931249618049097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-35537072242410209262013-06-06T09:15:28.882-04:002013-06-06T09:15:28.882-04:00Yes. And oops, your computer erased all the files ...Yes. And oops, your computer erased all the files as well.Untenured Ursulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12107788326951579690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-29584058497467119512013-06-06T08:55:25.609-04:002013-06-06T08:55:25.609-04:00I'm thinking that someone broke into your car ...I'm thinking that someone broke into your car and stole all the materials from your courses......I_am_not_nicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12164044353299362252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-19876189118160707862013-06-06T08:27:29.295-04:002013-06-06T08:27:29.295-04:00Ditto TubaPlayingProf.
You owe these guys jack...
...Ditto TubaPlayingProf.<br />You owe these guys jack...<br /><br />In fact, there's a special circle of hell for bean-countery thinkers who put scorecards over scholars.EC1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13414931249618049097noreply@blogger.com