tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post6683605378461478848..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Proffies' Public Push-backUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-18855256140843209832016-05-19T21:32:33.187-04:002016-05-19T21:32:33.187-04:00Frod, now that I see that post, I get a sense of d...Frod, now that I see that post, I get a sense of deja vu; however, I cannot locate the post from 29 Jan 2015 itself. Maybe it got yanked.<br><br>Here's the CM post that originally linked to Terry Glynn's Small Pond Blog post<br><br /><a href="http://collegemisery.blogspot.com/2013/11/from-noble-to-unethical-profession-are.html" rel="nofollow">From Noble to Unethical Profession: Are we allOgre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-24790700022004100662016-05-19T17:54:53.017-04:002016-05-19T17:54:53.017-04:00That should be "...without a doubt an excelle...That should be "...without a doubt an excellent..."Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-78282807868114809682016-05-19T15:48:25.197-04:002016-05-19T15:48:25.197-04:00Re #1 (since I have no experience with #2, which s...Re #1 (since I have no experience with #2, which seems to have received most of the attention): I'm always amused when students, assigned to "investigate" a particular professor's work (research), assume they need to interview, or at least email, that professor. In fact, given the number of students who take the course I teach each semester, we explicitly *don't* want them Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-60197686759650329932016-05-19T14:11:05.877-04:002016-05-19T14:11:05.877-04:00By the way, I don't want to work for the NSF/R...By the way, I don't want to work for the NSF/REU program anymore, because they always expect me to work for free. I've mentored students at three different institutions for them, and while it is without an excellent experience for the students, I never get any summer salary, They also never paid me any summer salary, or even defrayed some quite substantial costs to me. This year, I told Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-31584448787890844442016-05-19T14:02:47.911-04:002016-05-19T14:02:47.911-04:00As far as high-school students in labs go, here...As far as high-school students in labs go, here's a post that I subsequently made about it:<br /><br />Why I will never, never, never, never, NEVER again take a high-school student into my lab—until next time <br />Thursday, January 29, 2015<br /><br />In 2013, Terry Glynn posted "Why I don’t take high school students into my lab" to his “Small Pond Science” blog. Beaker Ben and I Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-85476122553288480102016-05-19T14:01:19.121-04:002016-05-19T14:01:19.121-04:00When I gave shows at the Adler Planetarium in Chic...When I gave shows at the Adler Planetarium in Chicago in the early-to-mid '80s, answering phone and letter inquiries from the public, including kids, was a major other part of my job. I very much enjoyed it. Once at age 12, Victor Weisskopf wrote to Max Planck, who wrote him back (and apparently thought he was much older, since he addressed him "Herr Weisskopf"). Weisskopf said he Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-80343808765299728112016-05-19T12:32:23.386-04:002016-05-19T12:32:23.386-04:00In my lab, there's never any "glassware w...In my lab, there's never any "glassware washing" or "beetle counting" level of work to do. There's maintenance on the hideously expensive and fragile stuff. And Kids These Days are all thumbs. There's the dangerous stuff, the chemistry stuff, the troubleshooting and repair, the insane computer code written in archaic languages. By the time I get someone trained Dr. Pablitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044041095776177631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-90067745154770004972016-05-19T12:31:25.186-04:002016-05-19T12:31:25.186-04:00In my lab, there's never any "glassware w...In my lab, there's never any "glassware washing" or "beetle counting" level of work to do. There's maintenance on the hideously expensive and fragile stuff. And Kids These Days are all thumbs. There's the dangerous stuff, the chemistry stuff, the troubleshooting and repair, the insane computer code written in archaic languages. By the time I get someone trained Dr. Pablitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044041095776177631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-73423008742405319132016-05-19T11:25:11.966-04:002016-05-19T11:25:11.966-04:00I've stopped accepting high school students in...I've stopped accepting high school students in my lab because their parents can be a real hassle and I get no credit for this type of outreach. As others have said, I rarely get anything out of it for my own research and they never join my school either.<br /><br />The Small Pond Science article raises good points about privilege but the guy comes across as a real jerk. For the students who Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-51525683715165588022016-05-19T10:53:42.180-04:002016-05-19T10:53:42.180-04:00Concerning interning research students.
Even with...Concerning interning research students.<br /><br />Even with grad students their first summer of research work is a net loss: the time a senior and capable person spends supervising and mentoring them it worth more than the work they will produce. You can come closer to breaking even by supervising several budding lab monkeys on related projects, but that means the supervisor will get none of dmckeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18052641757203089416noreply@blogger.com