tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post7332757759071853265..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Sid From Santa Fe Sends This In.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-61721730378923589692013-03-28T13:40:14.082-04:002013-03-28T13:40:14.082-04:00That's interesting, Sid, thanks for forwarding...That's interesting, Sid, thanks for forwarding the note. I, too, wonder about a 15 year old being quoted in a sex issue about favorite positions and all. Surely someone's parent went ballistic. This is a huge school, too, isn't it? I saw online that it was nearly 40,000 students. That's a lot of dirty newspapers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-493587892682484542013-03-28T13:27:32.393-04:002013-03-28T13:27:32.393-04:00The president of the college sent this note around...The president of the college sent this note around to everyone yesterday. Everyone knows what college paper it is now, so I've not edited it at all:<br /><br />I am providing you the comments I made to the CNM Chronicle Publication Board at 1:00 p.m. today:<br /> <br />Hello everybody. First, I want to give these newspapers back to the Chronicle staff. We have some more around the college andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-82833040960167208032013-03-28T12:52:15.652-04:002013-03-28T12:52:15.652-04:00In my turn, I have problems understanding how acad...<em>In my turn, I have problems understanding how academics, whose entire lives are built around the process of discriminating the good from the bad, and teaching others to engage in the same, can support narcissistic trash as "freedom of expression."</em><br /><br />This paragraph very precisely demonstrates that you actually <em>don't</em> understand what freedom of expression Defunct Adjuncthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954331373226016090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-90846707484275105682013-03-28T12:30:52.729-04:002013-03-28T12:30:52.729-04:00In this one I simpatize with the administration. T...In this one I simpatize with the administration. The rock: a first amendment lawsuit with the student; the hard place: a harassment lawsuit with the professor. Probably they took the best couse of action: impound the newspaper and recover as many issues as possible to be able to show that did their best, and then wait for the pressure to reinstate the student. No-win.French Professeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08062264385792788503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-3518927932392954672013-03-28T10:38:28.235-04:002013-03-28T10:38:28.235-04:00Indeed. If we just decide for others what is wort...Indeed. If we just decide for others what is worth expressing, then we don't have to bother teaching people to discriminate between the good and the bad. Freedom of speech is so inconvenient; without it, there would be no need for critical thinking, and we could spend all of our time drinking.Professor Chiltepinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10087270705989845484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-19400389027304722532013-03-28T08:56:34.006-04:002013-03-28T08:56:34.006-04:00Not a bit of it. The public also has an interest i...Not a bit of it. The public also has an interest in limiting the spread of pornography; as Dworkin pointed out, such trash encourages the objectification of people. That's entirely separate from "the expression of views."<br /><br />In my turn, I have problems understanding how academics, whose entire lives are built around the process of discriminating the good from the bad, and introvert.profhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09042783611716432247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-47888680008689959132013-03-27T20:53:21.549-04:002013-03-27T20:53:21.549-04:00Here come de judge, here come de judge....
In the...Here come de judge, here come de judge....<br /><br />In the case of Shitty Community College vs. Reality, I find SCC in contempt of the First Amendment and reason in general. Now to dole out the harshness:<br /><br />The Dean: Siberia, hard labor, life.<br /><br />The Administration flunkies who suppressed the paper: Siberia, hard labor, life.<br /><br />The students who wrote this dumb issue: Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-29645658356731983132013-03-27T17:26:55.789-04:002013-03-27T17:26:55.789-04:00Don't be silly.
The question is not even abou...Don't be silly.<br /><br />The question is not even about whether the content itself is dignified or decorous. Personally, I tend to agree with Stella that students writing about sex often focus too much on the graphic, and probably demonstrate a certain narcissism and/or desire to appear controversial and get a reaction. I also think that there are more interesting and important issues that Defunct Adjuncthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954331373226016090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-61178303376900192922013-03-27T17:17:05.630-04:002013-03-27T17:17:05.630-04:00"squeamishness or self-righteous indignation&..."squeamishness or self-righteous indignation" = Newspeak for "dignity" and "decorum."introvert.profhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09042783611716432247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-40969398675440179032013-03-27T17:14:59.070-04:002013-03-27T17:14:59.070-04:00To be clear, I was giggling at the contention that...To be clear, I was giggling at the contention that the students are adults.introvert.profhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09042783611716432247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-40982545178232836122013-03-27T17:05:00.345-04:002013-03-27T17:05:00.345-04:00I sent this story (not from CM, but from mainstrea...I sent this story (not from CM, but from mainstream news reports) to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE). I wouldn't be surprised if others had already done the same thing.<br /><br />Today, FIRE wrote a <a href="http://thefire.org/article/15599.html" rel="nofollow">letter</a> to the college protesting against the suspension of the student paper. The newspaper has <a hrefDefunct Adjuncthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954331373226016090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-24429052980075745632013-03-27T14:47:19.836-04:002013-03-27T14:47:19.836-04:00I am so glad I teach at a place where I will not o...I am so glad I teach at a place where I will not open up our student paper and find a "how-to" guide on butt plugs and dildos. <br /><br />I don't think there's any real value in this. Like students don't have access to the internet? Printing a "sex" edition of a student paper is a smug "lookit me!" move to get a reaction and "prove" how &StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-55546795032216206642013-03-27T13:14:06.744-04:002013-03-27T13:14:06.744-04:00I'm not sure the presence of dual-credit stude...I'm not sure the presence of dual-credit students on campus is entirely relevant here, since such students agree, at the time of enrollment, to be treated by the college as adults.<br /><br />The real issue here is whether the Shitty Community College administration is within its rights. The answer would, on the face of it, appear to be no. Public colleges can interfere with student High Desert Hattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11227270476943573589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-2790185908873668512013-03-27T13:04:50.976-04:002013-03-27T13:04:50.976-04:00In my own time in a CC I found that many times I d...In my own time in a CC I found that many times I did not have all adults. A large high school right near my campus sent us 15-16 year old students all the time. I actually began to think a bit about my readings for those classes because of the shocked looks on some faces when the more adult themes came around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-64925763464969949802013-03-27T12:56:58.280-04:002013-03-27T12:56:58.280-04:00Indeed. The mention of Roger's "roommate...Indeed. The mention of Roger's "roommate," Vince, is also pretty good. Guess the Dean won't be getting a wedding invitation if and when the Supreme Court sorts out the same-sex marriage question (or, if Roger has a sense of humor -- and a new job by then -- maybe he will). Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-45353886571017263182013-03-27T12:54:42.091-04:002013-03-27T12:54:42.091-04:00there should not be a space between "in"...there should not be a space between "in" and "appropriate." Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-49955648707098935812013-03-27T12:53:40.724-04:002013-03-27T12:53:40.724-04:00The form they've chosen for their protest does...The form they've chosen for their protest does seem a little, um, logically inconsistent. "We counter denials of free speech rights by ceasing to engage in free speech ourselves until those rights are restored!" Doesn't quite work, somehow. <br /><br />That said, it is, of course, in appropriate for the CC administration to censor the student paper. It's also pretty Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-81333257024727182932013-03-27T12:50:23.752-04:002013-03-27T12:50:23.752-04:00My favorite line from that link: "Um, sir, th...My favorite line from that link: "Um, sir, the students are all adults."<br /><br />I'll be giggling about that one for weeks.introvert.profhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09042783611716432247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-63847899428999539792013-03-27T11:34:32.589-04:002013-03-27T11:34:32.589-04:00Sid says: "okey dokey."Sid says: "okey dokey."College Miseryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01371354682300032653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-49292041399110459082013-03-27T11:15:28.847-04:002013-03-27T11:15:28.847-04:00I know we don't iike links, but this one is wo...I know we don't iike links, but this one is worth checking out:<br /><br />http://www.popehat.com/2013/03/27/college-is-no-place-for-the-sex-talk/<br /><br />High Desert Hattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11227270476943573589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-17620982668293963752013-03-27T10:51:29.084-04:002013-03-27T10:51:29.084-04:00The story and school are very easily googleable, a...The story and school are very easily googleable, assuming the Tuesday above is the same Tuesday when this was reported:<br />"People were pulling all the papers off the stands and weren’t identifying themselves until I asked and they said they were part of the administration. They were pulling papers off the stand and actually out of peoples’ hands."<br /><br />And, no, it appears to Alan From Apexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01366176105581248496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-84605452796758765572013-03-27T10:28:47.469-04:002013-03-27T10:28:47.469-04:00It does sound noble and all. I wonder if there'...It does sound noble and all. I wonder if there's more to the story. Maybe you don't want to reveal what school it is exactly, but I wonder if there are some details the administration had that we don't.<br /><br />And, the sex? Was it any good?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-19757195922935235182013-03-27T10:13:08.727-04:002013-03-27T10:13:08.727-04:00In that light, I will not teach any more classes u...In that light, I will not teach any more classes until the Shitty Community College administration agrees to reinstate Shitty Community College staff members to their former positions at the paper. This is a matter of principle, not because I'm lazy. Of course, I expect to continue receiving a paycheck. Can somebody please call me and wake me up when I need to start teaching again? Thanks.Southern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.com