tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post983343266011483661..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Yet another link, but it's a good 'unUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-26361306825992207012015-08-07T22:31:41.234-04:002015-08-07T22:31:41.234-04:00Yes it is.Yes it is.Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-18974797627764255272015-08-07T07:50:43.275-04:002015-08-07T07:50:43.275-04:00But argument is an intellectual process. It isn...But argument is an intellectual process. It isn't the automatic gainsay of any statement the other person makes.Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-16707417522565198822015-08-03T20:41:25.637-04:002015-08-03T20:41:25.637-04:00As much as I want to blame millennials for their p...As much as I want to blame millennials for their poor behavior and the fear they’re able to instill in professors, I realize in reading the blog (and others) it’s the older generation that allows students to get away with this. The college administrators, who refuse to provide (or in some cases even allow) advocates for the accused, are middle-aged.<br /><br />If the Emory student really did try Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05086727387857705638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-71643823496040127532015-08-03T11:13:32.363-04:002015-08-03T11:13:32.363-04:00There were emails about Monica? Quite interesting....There were emails about Monica? Quite interesting. I'm not saying this to dismiss anyone's view or out of disrespect, but I find myself wondering what they would say. "Somebody disagrees with me on the internet"? <br /><br />I remember what I thought as I read Monica's first comment: so many buttons being pushed, so little time. I saw argumentum ad antiquitam, false Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53658084380589222832015-08-02T11:11:36.110-04:002015-08-02T11:11:36.110-04:00Can you elaborate on that, please? I'm really ...Can you elaborate on that, please? I'm really curious. Regarding my writing style, I promise not to get upset if you find my sentences too long, or something like that. Please let me know what's different or French-like. But what really puzzles me is the comment about the "ways of thinking". If you could explain that, I would really appreciate it.Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-2025321737799229832015-08-02T04:04:24.892-04:002015-08-02T04:04:24.892-04:00Dittoing what Dr. Mindbender said on the money-gra...Dittoing what Dr. Mindbender said on the money-grab aspects of credentialing. It looks Fifa-esque in some fields.<br /><br />As for not wishing to engage with Monica, I understand the reluctance. Monica's ways of thinking and writing style reminds me of former French colleagues and students. I sometimes wonder (in the nicest possible way) what Monica's first language is.EC1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13414931249618049097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-45058234166000968592015-08-02T00:44:43.436-04:002015-08-02T00:44:43.436-04:00Third-party certification won't work for my di...Third-party certification won't work for my discipline. The field is wide enough that no single certification could effectively cover all the useful skills, and it's narrow enough that creating a bevy of certifications would be overkill. Nobody's really interested in a third-party credential anyway. The field's professional association looked into creating one, but that move was Dr. Mindbenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16916271564719224677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-37456812813713798622015-08-02T00:43:59.586-04:002015-08-02T00:43:59.586-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dr. Mindbenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16916271564719224677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-49210301309289252762015-08-01T11:35:11.933-04:002015-08-01T11:35:11.933-04:00I dunno. Seems like the academic world is already...I dunno. Seems like the academic world is already trying to shove itself up our asses. That's why we all drink so much and hang out here.Rosencrantz Andor Guildensternhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05095512139776536635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-61867523108472722632015-08-01T09:30:22.805-04:002015-08-01T09:30:22.805-04:00"We provide a service: we evaluate where stud..."We provide a service: we evaluate where students are every few weeks, so they can see how they're doing and what they need to improve."<br /><br />Looks like I should have refreshed the page before I added my comment. Great minds.<br /><br />I know from my own program (Advanced Hamstermobile Technology) that students' course grades correlate very well with their performance on Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-22681029220002726352015-08-01T09:27:24.813-04:002015-08-01T09:27:24.813-04:00"I probably wouldn't care for being a hou..."I probably wouldn't care for being a household slave, though."<br /><br />Nor would I want to return to a society in which the only educated people are those born to families wealthy enough to afford slaves or "hired help". <br /><br />I do see merit in allowing students to be certified/credited for subjects whose tests they are able to pass, regardless of the manner in Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-89325962918400861302015-08-01T09:22:16.604-04:002015-08-01T09:22:16.604-04:00"The analogy doesn't work."
Worked ..."The analogy doesn't work."<br /><br />Worked like a charm. Since you agree that some kind of ongoing assessment is useful well before the high-stakes exam (collision), then I propose we use grades for that purpose. Such metrics are useful not only for both students and teachers in judging the health of their interaction, but also for agencies that fund these operations.Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-13231421266527132792015-08-01T08:53:09.294-04:002015-08-01T08:53:09.294-04:00Monica is correct; the system she describes is (so...Monica is correct; the system she describes is (so I hear) how it works in German universities: you attend lectures and take an exam every year or two.<br /><br />Ask your current students whether they would feel less pressure. We provide a service: we evaluate where students are every few weeks, so they can see how they're doing and what they need to improve.<br /><br />We could, of course, introvert.profhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09042783611716432247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-56291486538812513982015-08-01T08:18:41.187-04:002015-08-01T08:18:41.187-04:00Hi Hiram. Yes, got a couple of emails from folks l...Hi Hiram. Yes, got a couple of emails from folks last night about Monica, but since she's been around a long time and most regulars know how she is, I didn't think much of it.<br /><br />We obviously see the role of higher education differently from one another. The world that Monica imagines is not one I want to teach (or live) in. Namaste.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-48987956290409411062015-08-01T07:47:04.877-04:002015-08-01T07:47:04.877-04:00I refuse to engage with Monica. She's a famous...I refuse to engage with Monica. She's a famous CM contrarian. This line of bullshit, though; well, it's just ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-46954009887764178372015-08-01T00:13:11.204-04:002015-08-01T00:13:11.204-04:00The analogy doesn't work. I'm not saying t...The analogy doesn't work. I'm not saying that there would be no evaluation, although that would probably happen for some skills. It's just that it would be more fair and objective. After all, most schools won't fail all of their students. The certification board would fail anybody who does not possess the skills. The human factors related to the pressure to pass students or the Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53842503954593705372015-07-31T23:31:52.417-04:002015-07-31T23:31:52.417-04:00Cars should get rid of speedometers and just provi...Cars should get rid of speedometers and just provide the transportation. The evidence of whether the car is going at a safe speed, if any, should be obtained by surviving some kind of collision.Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-68018965290472419462015-07-31T22:43:03.282-04:002015-07-31T22:43:03.282-04:00You can teach online, for example at Udemy. With s...You can teach online, for example at Udemy. With some exceptions, it is also perfectly legal to just teach your own courses without going through any established institution. For instance, if you can give piano lessons, you can just go ahead and do it.<br /><br />Moreover, universities, too, should get rid of grades. They should just provide the education. If the courses are not very good or Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-50293539208494416322015-07-31T22:05:25.183-04:002015-07-31T22:05:25.183-04:00I would love to just teach and do awesome activiti...I would love to just teach and do awesome activities in class and have someone else do the grading. I probably wouldn't care for being a household slave, though. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15711314415244801354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-50972771376834122462015-07-31T17:43:31.802-04:002015-07-31T17:43:31.802-04:00The situation where the educator was in charge or ...The situation where the educator was in charge or even part of an institution was a historical anomaly. Historically, educators used to be slaves or hired help in the service of the students' families (or, on occasion, of the students themselves) and were not assigning any grades. They would just teach, and students would learn (or not).<br /><br />Why do you want to be authority figures who Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-20968474300114479692015-07-31T16:39:46.206-04:002015-07-31T16:39:46.206-04:00Damn it to hell. The "right" to not be o...Damn it to hell. The "right" to not be offended has burgeoned into the "right" not to be made to feel uncomfortable. Getting your head stretched to accomodate new ideas is sometimes uncomfortable, and what is higher ed but new ideas?<br /><br />I wouldn't have thought it could sink any lower, but it has, and now I have no hope that it won't sink even further. "Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-43711157461674647572015-07-31T13:49:48.807-04:002015-07-31T13:49:48.807-04:00 “The academic world can go shove itself up my as... “The academic world can go shove itself up my ass,” [Levinson] says. “I’d rather dig ditches than have to deal with a bunch of spoiled rich white kids.” <br /><br />Quote of the Year!Ripbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01685894007541567391noreply@blogger.com