tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post1287202797672145708..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Mo' Mizry from WisconsinUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-202256337058536432011-10-31T12:02:03.764-04:002011-10-31T12:02:03.764-04:00@Strel:
He "left" Marquette under a clou...@Strel:<br />He "left" Marquette under a cloud of suspicion for cheating when he ran for President of Student Government. Surprise!<br /><br />http://www.politicususa.com/en/scott-walker-dirty-illegal-campaigning<br /><br />@Bubba: Let's go have a drink.<br /><br />http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/99700384.htmlBurntChromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06055976331443607569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-8578984404091350072011-10-29T18:26:34.866-04:002011-10-29T18:26:34.866-04:00reading n riting is 4 loosers.
maths are 2.reading n riting is 4 loosers.<br />maths are 2.Southern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-78765289367932539802011-10-28T23:05:00.551-04:002011-10-28T23:05:00.551-04:00I don't know if anybodys mentioned this, but S...I don't know if anybodys mentioned this, but Scott Walker is a college dropout who took his part-time IBM warrantee-selling job experience and began working for the Red Cross in 1990. He then oozed into GOP politics from there.* It's obvious to me the guy knows nothing about education, and yet he's killing public education in Wisconsin because that's one of his party's hidden Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-76455413572197428382011-10-28T23:03:18.091-04:002011-10-28T23:03:18.091-04:00I highly suspect that most of the takers wouldn...I highly suspect that most of the takers wouldn't be tracked in to vo-tech courses. I think that they would choose to take vo-tech over the more traditional, college prep courses. People want to take those courses that they feel they can excel in. No one wants to take courses that they know they will fail. <br /><br />The people who will benefit most from the offering of vo-tech courses are Crazy Math Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409653814917911532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-15775484101440513242011-10-28T15:56:09.919-04:002011-10-28T15:56:09.919-04:00Isn't the problem that some people do succeed ...Isn't the problem that some people do succeed without much/any training so they feel that no one else needs it either?<br /><br />I took a few vo-tech courses in high school and some of the others taking vocational courses probably would have dropped out if they weren't offered. Instead of looking forward to a promising career in the trades, they might have been left with a selection of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44363893581696358662011-10-28T15:47:00.949-04:002011-10-28T15:47:00.949-04:00I'm disturbed by the pigeonholing possibilitie...I'm disturbed by the pigeonholing possibilities.<br /><br />Student in a low income area? College isn't for the likes of you, but here, we have these *wonderful* vocational courses.<br /><br />As long as it's not used as an excuse to let the quality and availability of instruction to slip even further, and the kids are made aware of and encouraged to pursue the college route, then Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08152778218277191283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-63671655083602274702011-10-28T14:38:11.938-04:002011-10-28T14:38:11.938-04:00Please understand that my consternation is not ove...Please understand that my consternation is not over the return of vo-ed; far from it. Like Academic Monkey, I too have many friends who are in the "trades" and are doing just fine. MY OH is one of them. I have had many students quit and go on to become mechanics, dental hygienists, etc. They're all smart, successful people who didn't need college. They'd have saved tech BurntChromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06055976331443607569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-22015961528171234112011-10-28T13:57:03.989-04:002011-10-28T13:57:03.989-04:00There is a difference between going to college and...There is a difference between going to college and having math and English.<br /><br />I move in a circle of very educated and not-at-all-colleged folks who work with their hands (electricians, plumbers, bartenders, artists). They all need English to work out their businesses and analyze the world around them. They all use math on a regular basis.<br /><br />This isn't like cutting history orAcademic Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086078244493768565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-1202515168377102302011-10-28T12:24:36.551-04:002011-10-28T12:24:36.551-04:00I'm all in favour of vocational classes, but I...I'm all in favour of vocational classes, but I don't think that means English & math should be cut. You could substitute "business communications" and "business math" for English lit and algebra perhaps, but without a basic literacy and numeracy no one, vocational or otherwise, is going to be able to support themselves. There are only so many jobs at McDonald'Merely Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452389428113097744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-2726560207506418822011-10-28T12:00:59.703-04:002011-10-28T12:00:59.703-04:00My dad is a retired teacher, and he's on the s...My dad is a retired teacher, and he's on the school board back home. I can't think of many people who are bigger on the value of higher education than my dad, but even he says that cutting the vo-tech courses in favor of universal college-prep was a huge mistake.Dr. Mindbenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16916271564719224677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-19039141119404929182011-10-28T11:52:51.165-04:002011-10-28T11:52:51.165-04:00I'm with Ben on this one. Far too many student...I'm with Ben on this one. Far too many students are being told that they *need* college. We'd be far better off as a nation if we took academically under performing students out of college prep courses and taught them a trade. If we train HVAC techs in big school these people won't be saddled with $30000 in debt from the local for profit trade school. Not only would these 18 year Crazy Math Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409653814917911532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-88210347710539038152011-10-28T11:22:11.431-04:002011-10-28T11:22:11.431-04:00I think our country does focus too much on college...I think our country does focus too much on college prep as the only acceptable way to prepare students for adulthood. Students who will be looking for a full time job within a year after high school should learn skills in high school that will help them do that. <br /><br />"But college is the only way for students to get ahead!" I hear. That's true if we've taught them no Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-77048513779109554942011-10-28T10:04:21.809-04:002011-10-28T10:04:21.809-04:00I have to apologize in advance. I have been unawar...I have to apologize in advance. I have been unaware of any of this Wisconsin stuff going on. I moved from the southwest to the northwest this past year and am not a big fan of the national news.<br /><br />My concerns are about the colleges and states I'm in, as I'd think is true for most readers.<br /><br />But I can easily skip over Wisconsin story if it's not interesting to me, andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-90547585997761840522011-10-28T09:28:18.137-04:002011-10-28T09:28:18.137-04:00@PP: Are you a troll? I think you're a troll. ...@PP: Are you a troll? I think you're a troll. Trolls post shitty little comments on threads they purport to find a) uninteresting or b)not worth their time. Yet here you are, crying to the moderator that you're not being protected. Troll.<br /><br />@F&T and TPP: I think that this proposal is part of the ALEC masterplan to get us back to the 19th century: a large, undereducated BurntChromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06055976331443607569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-10327374607645609922011-10-28T09:19:56.114-04:002011-10-28T09:19:56.114-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-52742106883626921152011-10-28T09:14:46.192-04:002011-10-28T09:14:46.192-04:00Put a sock in it, Prickly. If this isn't mise...Put a sock in it, Prickly. If this isn't misery, I don't know what is. And this is your future too. A nation of Gammas pushing buttons at Mickey D's is what we'll have.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-80059615471073513302011-10-28T09:05:14.359-04:002011-10-28T09:05:14.359-04:00@Snarky Writer. that's my worry too. The gov...@Snarky Writer. that's my worry too. The governor of Wisconsin is getting "famous" around the country for this type of stuff. More and more ambitious types--who are NOT friends of public education--are paying attention.TubaPlayingProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06524484569241433720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-46565542496586345892011-10-28T09:04:23.620-04:002011-10-28T09:04:23.620-04:00@Prickly Prof: Well screw you too. If you don'...@Prickly Prof: Well screw you too. If you don't want to read them, don't open them, dumbass.<br /><br />@Snarky: I'm with you. I'm in a holding pattern now but my hope is to be out of here within a year.BurntChromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06055976331443607569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-5413954383394191812011-10-28T08:49:38.900-04:002011-10-28T08:49:38.900-04:00I'm worried that this sets precedent and event...I'm worried that this sets precedent and eventually, as Wisconsin goes, so goes the nation. I will leave. If I have to teach ESL in Germany, I will. Screw this noise.Snarky Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196509615328045888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-7586274125256704202011-10-28T08:35:18.608-04:002011-10-28T08:35:18.608-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com