tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post1441844644921709196..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Yuri in Youngstown Wonders Where the Courage Is.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-33797787428201338872013-10-23T20:31:00.671-04:002013-10-23T20:31:00.671-04:00Sorry Fab. But sometimes you just have to call it...Sorry Fab. But sometimes you just have to call it.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-43205584892970119492013-10-23T19:03:25.727-04:002013-10-23T19:03:25.727-04:00Thanks for this perspective. I have not had this l...Thanks for this perspective. I have not had this level of censure, but just this alone shows that it's not as simple as Yuri makes it out to be. Both of his posts lack insight beyond his own experience (whether that's a privileged view or not, I cannot say), and your post shows why it's important to view things from multiple perspectives before calling others names. The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-27664957680918649382013-10-23T17:18:44.241-04:002013-10-23T17:18:44.241-04:00I missed Denny's smackdown... I thought I was ...I missed Denny's smackdown... I thought I was nice to everyone. The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-3843344681698003632013-10-23T12:08:51.698-04:002013-10-23T12:08:51.698-04:00I find it interesting that at many institutions fo...I find it interesting that at many institutions folks with tenure behave courageously. Many of the LEAST courageous people I know have tenure. I have a colleague who in ten years has never made so much as a ripple. has refused to be on committees of any importance. has never had a single student complaint and in over hundreds of hours of meetings together rarely says ANYTHING, and certainly Academic Charlotte Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06617435890922621735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-24953858286933270132013-10-23T02:11:23.223-04:002013-10-23T02:11:23.223-04:00What do we say then about the smackdown of poor fu...What do we say then about the smackdown of poor fucking Denny?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-18160067700843430292013-10-23T02:07:58.498-04:002013-10-23T02:07:58.498-04:00Yuri, it's a bit of a temerity to suggest most...Yuri, it's a bit of a temerity to suggest most people who post here "lack courage"; that we just whine in a group blog, but behave timidly in our real academic lives. You also seem to be assuming that administrators are generally competent people who serve their institution's mission with integrity. Administrators come to believe there's something special about themselves, Peter Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00754472537710161295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-74913053231641470282013-10-23T01:22:34.856-04:002013-10-23T01:22:34.856-04:00Well, at least we're predictable. And technica...Well, at least we're predictable. And technically, Yuri is a community member, so knows how we roll. The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-16884922852259630502013-10-23T01:21:08.940-04:002013-10-23T01:21:08.940-04:00@Yuri: How about because, even if you have tenure,...@Yuri: How about because, even if you have tenure, it's so FUTILE? EVERY time I turn in a cheater to our Incompetent Dean of Students, he does Nothing (with a capital N). It's like dropping a rose petal into the Grand Canyon and waiting for the echo. <br /><br />I therefore take matters into my own hands. I give all cheaters grades of F for the entire course on their first instance of Froderick Frankenstien from Fresnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11653942918068535424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-31337500157367901652013-10-22T21:35:58.252-04:002013-10-22T21:35:58.252-04:00We almost made it through the day. Oh well. We almost made it through the day. Oh well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-18588020078520737722013-10-22T21:32:05.127-04:002013-10-22T21:32:05.127-04:00How about maybe not shitting on people who are alr...How about maybe not shitting on people who are already down? That's a thought, especially if you are tenured. There's another word for brave: privileged.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-65525570059297852682013-10-22T19:54:22.859-04:002013-10-22T19:54:22.859-04:00Suppose the young faculty member tells the grievan...Suppose the young faculty member tells the grievance committee, "This student cheated. I won't stand for it." Too often, an administrator will reply, "Too bad. We're giving the student a second chance." And the administrator will say it in the presence of the student and the new faculty member. That destroys the faculty member's authority.<br /><br />But if theSouthern Bubba, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12050992903794385204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-26384158421735838732013-10-22T19:33:12.732-04:002013-10-22T19:33:12.732-04:00While I like the spirit of this post (quit yer whi...While I like the spirit of this post (quit yer whining and do something about it), it also doesn't seem to belong on a blog called College MISERY. And I don't think it's that simple. As with your original post, it's easy to point fingers at others and say, "I have it good; why can't you have the same if you do what I did?" Ask yourself: are the only ones behaving The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-23388072827116430882013-10-22T19:14:26.446-04:002013-10-22T19:14:26.446-04:00I don't know how to feel about you, Yuri. Ther...I don't know how to feel about you, Yuri. There is a part of me that thinks you're exactly right, given the exact right circumstances. What I've learned from being a part of this page is how many amazing teachers are in terrible spots, circumstances. They could courage out the ass and it wouldn't make their lives any easier.<br /><br />I'm lucky to have a great job and a lot Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-12421428700561782002013-10-22T18:27:41.046-04:002013-10-22T18:27:41.046-04:00Webs of oppression, Yuri. The same reason why abu...Webs of oppression, Yuri. The same reason why abused spouses stay with their abusers. The same reason why abused children don't run to a police officer and report their abusive parents. The same reason victims of date rape do not always report the crime. The same reason why people who are bullied sometimes end up killing themselves just to escape the bullying.<br /><br />Some colleges andThe_Mythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10621186404597424842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-14595125527941849252013-10-22T18:16:51.464-04:002013-10-22T18:16:51.464-04:00Yuri, have you ever been told that the class you t...Yuri, have you ever been told that the class you teach has an expected average grade? Have you ever been told that plagiarism is the result of poor teaching or that student email must be responded to within 24 hours? Have you ever walked into your department to find fewer people in the adjunct offices because budget cuts meant not enough work was available. <br /><br />Courage is very nice when Sarcastic Bastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01407507896787403097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-57120456136660502882013-10-22T18:09:45.417-04:002013-10-22T18:09:45.417-04:00Yuri, I like what you say but there are a couple o...Yuri, I like what you say but there are a couple of factors that you might not be considering.<br /><br />We* only come here when we have a complaint. Those days that I'm not bitching about students are probably OK days. I'm not going to write a post about the decently civil meeting I had with my department head. That's like a facebook post saying that you ate a hotdog with mustardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-55347334079812567922013-10-22T18:06:29.153-04:002013-10-22T18:06:29.153-04:00Hi, Yuri. Glad you returned. You raise some useful...Hi, Yuri. Glad you returned. You raise some useful points. As a veteran of this page (I think I can claim that status*) I'll try to answer your question in the same spirit it was posed (in other words, honestly and in good faith, but perhaps also just a bit combatively). The tl;dr version: while I appreciate your encouragement, I fear that you, presumably a fairly senior tenured faculty Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-131766754753774532013-10-22T17:44:08.453-04:002013-10-22T17:44:08.453-04:00(and to clarify, I DO know how lucky I am-- I, too...(and to clarify, I DO know how lucky I am-- I, too, have served hard time in adjunct years and know the feeling, and have had the semesters of not even having an adjunct job in the field and self loathing and WTF was I thinking a PhD in Rodent Material Culture and tens of thousands of dollars, etc etc; I haven't lived CC life so I don't know that particular pain, but I definitely don'Polar Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713477095763100821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-7882305845830524632013-10-22T17:32:15.603-04:002013-10-22T17:32:15.603-04:00It is an interesting pattern, the last couple of d...It is an interesting pattern, the last couple of days of posts. Some sort of collective nervous breakdown? I've been laying low because I'M HAVING A PRETTY FUCKING GOOD SCHOOL YEAR SO FAR and I'm having a good career moment and it makes me feel out of synch with the academic cosmos or something. I wish I could post more often but I just haven't been sufficiently miserable in the Polar Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713477095763100821noreply@blogger.com