tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post2524240824573692724..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: In Which a Meeting with Racist Rebecca Goes AwryUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-88607385679807055092012-11-19T15:30:47.450-05:002012-11-19T15:30:47.450-05:00"in general public discourse, the remedy for ..."in general public discourse, the remedy for racist and other inappropriate speech is more speech."<br /><br />"the only cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy" Al SmithMiddle-Aged and Morosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046076243513948921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-7927924333765359702012-11-18T20:28:52.914-05:002012-11-18T20:28:52.914-05:00Oh, I see. I guess that would be classified as suc...Oh, I see. I guess that would be classified as such, but since students say things that offend me all the times (usually stupid, air-headed comments), I may want to not include that as my definition of 'disruptive.' :o) I will keep this in mind if RR decides to pursue this further.The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-29383113451338746842012-11-18T20:27:30.449-05:002012-11-18T20:27:30.449-05:00Thanks, CC, I appreciate your perspective (always)...Thanks, CC, I appreciate your perspective (always), especially given that I hadn't even considered her claiming that grades might be retaliatory, and, given her boldness so far, I can now envision her petitioning for all kinds of things. I suppose since there is a final essay and the final exam due, I could take precautions to get a second blind read, just in case... The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-91619440795141359222012-11-18T18:58:02.693-05:002012-11-18T18:58:02.693-05:00I'm a really strong believer that, in general ...I'm a really strong believer that, in general public discourse, the remedy for racist and other inappropriate speech is more speech. That makes me suspicious of speech codes at public universities (private institutions do, indeed, get to set their own rules within reason, e.g. like the Woolworth's lunch counter, they can't bar people on the basis of race). On the other hand, there Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53944972491827559102012-11-18T09:42:05.751-05:002012-11-18T09:42:05.751-05:00We had an entire political campaign based on racis...We had an entire political campaign based on racist dog-whistles: food stamp presidents! free stuff! NOT an American! Born in Kenya! illegal immigrants voting! busloads of urban voters! tell the NAACP they should ask for jobs not welfare, and, my personal favorite BLAH PEOPLE! I'm surprised we haven't heard more comments like Rebecca's.Middle-Aged and Morosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046076243513948921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-41244258136490826832012-11-18T09:14:10.363-05:002012-11-18T09:14:10.363-05:00I mean "may be" (haven't had coffee ...I mean "may be" (haven't had coffee yet).Emergency Mathematical Hologramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873569623797587860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-82388512190033697712012-11-18T09:13:22.775-05:002012-11-18T09:13:22.775-05:00Comments that be offensive to other students (ie. ...Comments that be offensive to other students (ie. racial comments).<br /><br />*shrugs shoulders*Emergency Mathematical Hologramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873569623797587860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-80352249977888945072012-11-18T03:31:33.789-05:002012-11-18T03:31:33.789-05:00What is your definition of "disruptive" ...What is your definition of "disruptive" behavior?The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-34233862199675962862012-11-18T03:31:13.693-05:002012-11-18T03:31:13.693-05:00What do you mean, EMH? She made a comment, I respo...What do you mean, EMH? She made a comment, I responded. End of story, as far as class goes. The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-43502738988965051102012-11-17T22:13:26.478-05:002012-11-17T22:13:26.478-05:00Three words: She's disrupting class.Three words: She's disrupting class.Emergency Mathematical Hologramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873569623797587860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-86232931086088683872012-11-17T16:55:12.701-05:002012-11-17T16:55:12.701-05:00I'm guessing the disciplinary committee will d...I'm guessing the disciplinary committee will demand she take a class in racial and ethnic sensitivity, but yeah, who wants to deal with HER in such a class? I am sure the professors who teach those classes, however, are better equipped than I to address racist comments and attitudes in class.The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-45990800025538541472012-11-17T16:54:01.751-05:002012-11-17T16:54:01.751-05:00As a person of mixed race (I mean, who isn't?)...As a person of mixed race (I mean, who isn't?), I can attest that, indeed, parts of my body are of differing color. :o)The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-23985336199684998222012-11-17T16:51:15.748-05:002012-11-17T16:51:15.748-05:00I don't want to add much more to the details b...I don't want to add much more to the details because it would be clear to those who are involved who I am, and I don't have tenure.The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-87128827967901273292012-11-17T16:50:11.198-05:002012-11-17T16:50:11.198-05:00BB, I did not ask for a meeting with her. It would...BB, I did not ask for a meeting with her. It would have been within my right to meet with me to discuss her comment and how it violated the classroom policy of respect. That is not what happened. I called her out in class, and moved on to the lesson. I figured the matter was over. <br /><br />SHE demanded a meeting with me and the chair. In fact, in her email to us, she demanded that we meet withThe Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-79007944849095655962012-11-17T13:52:38.786-05:002012-11-17T13:52:38.786-05:00My wife's (English) mother told her that if sh...My wife's (English) mother told her that if she married a black man their babies would have one white arm and one black arm...Middle-Aged and Morosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046076243513948921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-58543290659518115852012-11-17T13:51:59.742-05:002012-11-17T13:51:59.742-05:00I'm not sure I'd want to inflict her on th...I'm not sure I'd want to inflict her on the people in the group.Middle-Aged and Morosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046076243513948921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-48871638441939742082012-11-17T12:08:28.911-05:002012-11-17T12:08:28.911-05:00Good grief. People come to all sorts of ridiculou...Good grief. People come to all sorts of ridiculous conclusions to maintain their belief system, don't they? I am white and my adopted boys are black. We've been the recipients of some screamers, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53877031823365364862012-11-17T10:44:54.307-05:002012-11-17T10:44:54.307-05:00I think a more fitting punishment would be to kick...I think a more fitting punishment would be to kick her out of your class and then have the dean make her spend time with a multi-cultural or racial association on campus for a minimum of 100 hours. If she still doesn't learn anything, at least you have the pleasure of knowing that she was very uncomfortable for an extended amount of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-22412915673719122552012-11-17T02:26:53.218-05:002012-11-17T02:26:53.218-05:00Oh God, my dear Cynic! How horrible! What a scen...Oh God, my dear Cynic! How horrible! What a scene! As Albert Einstein put it, "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." I am thinking that your college probably has a policy about hate speech, and also how nice it was that your Chair jumped right into the fire with you. <br /><br />Please keep us posted on all developments!Bellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15686242633678466958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-20935483641289737582012-11-16T21:59:53.901-05:002012-11-16T21:59:53.901-05:00I am reluctant to bring up a small point because i...I am reluctant to bring up a small point because it can distract from the larger picture, which is that you called out a racist and your department head backed you up. That success almost disqualifies you from posting on College Misery.<br /><br />I'm interested in the procedural aspects. A chat with the professor and the department head seems somewhat confrontational so you statement that &Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-42190735739642911542012-11-16T21:54:43.257-05:002012-11-16T21:54:43.257-05:00This only relates to the part where idiot bf asked...This only relates to the part where idiot bf asked if CC was black.... My Norwegian mother used to run a day care for children of single parents. The county placed a lot of the kids. The county worker was flipping through potential cases in front of her and muttered "...not that one.. ok this one...oh no!..." to herself while she searched her folders. My mother wanted more placementsWombat of the Copierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847183793780076028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-49953677195388011502012-11-16T21:50:59.275-05:002012-11-16T21:50:59.275-05:00The issue of the first amendment is relevant only ...The issue of the first amendment is relevant only to the chair's comments, as related by CC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-30542358970164826562012-11-16T21:28:02.789-05:002012-11-16T21:28:02.789-05:00My (definitely amateur) perception of the first am...My (definitely amateur) perception of the first amendment is that racist speech is protected.<br />As is the observation that the speech of another is racist.<br /><br />The first amendment isn't there to protect popular or politically correct speech; it's there to protect unpopular speech.Iyrrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06272150097841691708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-35856553612644965982012-11-16T20:41:32.239-05:002012-11-16T20:41:32.239-05:00Maybe I'm missing something, but questions of ...Maybe I'm missing something, but questions of re: constitutionality actually do seem to be missing the point. The meeting was to determine whether or not CC was entitled to call her a racist. Even if we grant that she was entitled to say what she said, CC seems to be entitled to call her a racist if what she said was, well, racist. <br /><br />Charges of racism can have a chilling effect on AWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906226817904549180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-60252563146022829312012-11-16T20:01:13.925-05:002012-11-16T20:01:13.925-05:00nice to hear that your chair supported you. So man...nice to hear that your chair supported you. So many on CM have chairs that don't. Hang in there!!Dream-Killerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10899352252923649504noreply@blogger.com