tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post3898882315857558903..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Suing Over a C+? From NPR.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-54440097311844713432015-01-12T07:34:58.752-05:002015-01-12T07:34:58.752-05:00Very well said!Very well said!College Miseryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01371354682300032653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-17724562973898205392015-01-12T06:27:56.120-05:002015-01-12T06:27:56.120-05:00I think there's room for contrary views to be ...I think there's room for contrary views to be expressed here, and I have likely even provided a few of my own. They are sometimes useful in that they help focus the "pro" argument. They also shine light on things to keep in mind for other cases.<br /><br />That is not to say that the pro and con arguments have equal validity in all cases. In this case, the student had been given Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69520366606046292622015-01-11T20:39:33.523-05:002015-01-11T20:39:33.523-05:00you sue the English prof that slashed your tires b...you sue the English prof that slashed your tires because you used "it's" as a possessive. (wink) Middle-Aged and Morosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046076243513948921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-50672293573955236492015-01-11T15:52:03.324-05:002015-01-11T15:52:03.324-05:00It looks like while I was researching and writing,...It looks like while I was researching and writing, some additional conversation took place. I see an allegation of probable continued bias against the student, in the form of reducing her grades across the board were she to retake the course. We should recall that such bias was not found in the first place, not by two university review boards, nor by a judge. Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-47337296952237931772015-01-10T23:26:17.275-05:002015-01-10T23:26:17.275-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44812755679421331672015-01-10T21:02:01.938-05:002015-01-10T21:02:01.938-05:00Monica is always a contrarian. Just look at her co...Monica is always a contrarian. Just look at her comments in the past. She's not a troll; I know she means well. But even in a case like this - which seems wholly black and white to me - she sides with the student and casts aspersions on profs. It's okay; it's a valid point of view.<br /><br />But don't bother trying to reason with her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-23005873475997556352015-01-10T20:58:07.276-05:002015-01-10T20:58:07.276-05:00The arm is probably her father's. He was a pro...The arm is probably her father's. He was a prof at the same university. Of course, he stayed completely out of it and let due process do its job... not. Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-52873686657449280002015-01-10T20:20:30.713-05:002015-01-10T20:20:30.713-05:00Her sole participation was apparently in the form ...Her sole participation was apparently in the form of complaining of a headache, asking for aspirin, and other irrelevancies.<br /><br />You have conceded that how you define 'participation' is irrelevant. Therefore, you cannot also say that her contribution merited a participation grade higher than zero. To claim otherwise, you'd be presuming to define participation, and/or you'd Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-51610941104282353402015-01-10T19:33:04.898-05:002015-01-10T19:33:04.898-05:00I doubt there is anything premature about her gett...I doubt there is anything premature about her getting zero points for participation. This case went before two university appeals boards, with the student's father attempting to influence the proceedings on her behalf, then it went to court (she lost), then she lost a <a href="http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2013/11/judge_rejects_new_trial_for_le.html" rel="nofollow">Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-14742367377376334452015-01-10T19:16:06.811-05:002015-01-10T19:16:06.811-05:00How I define it is irrelevant. What matters is how...How I define it is irrelevant. What matters is how it was defined for that particular course. However, the student was not absent or always shutting up. On the contrary, she was talking and arguing with the professor. Therefore, she must have deserved something higher than zero. If the difference between a zero and some low grade, perhaps the equivalent of an F, would have allowed her to get a B Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-12615005716409703442015-01-10T18:54:26.994-05:002015-01-10T18:54:26.994-05:00How are you defining "participation", Mo...How are you defining "participation", Monica?EC1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13414931249618049097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-70177971128623592562015-01-10T18:47:37.130-05:002015-01-10T18:47:37.130-05:00If she retook the course, the professor would have...If she retook the course, the professor would have probably assigned lower grades for other things, too, to make sure she won't get that close next time. It doesn't even have to be a matter of obviously persecuting her or failing her all the time. It's just that the grades wouldn't have added up to as much as they did now. On the other hand, participation grades are subjective andMonicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-17906717515551629082015-01-10T18:13:42.989-05:002015-01-10T18:13:42.989-05:00But in this case, the issue is the grade in one pa...But in this case, the issue is the grade in one particular required course, not her GPA. She needed a B in that particular course just to stay in the program (this was a graduate program) and she was very close, as she got a C+. Or, the participation grade that might have made a difference was a zero for a student who was, in fact, participating. It's just that the professor found her Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-85691370152621484002015-01-10T18:09:50.526-05:002015-01-10T18:09:50.526-05:00I dislike "participation" grades,and don...I dislike "participation" grades,and don't use them. That said:<br />a longer article somewhere explained that when the issue first came up she was given written advice on what she would need to do in order to ensure she got participation credit.<br />The final grade wasn't a unilateral thing by the prof, who had sought guidance from the uni before assigning the zero.<br />EC1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13414931249618049097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-56945573143751020042015-01-10T17:44:45.502-05:002015-01-10T17:44:45.502-05:00I was pretty sure I'd been led to this story o...I was pretty sure I'd been led to this story on this very site, quite some time ago. In fact, I was: <a href="http://collegemisery.blogspot.com/2013/02/what-fuck-is-up-montana.html?showComment=1360893979384#c6433090658283743907" rel="nofollow">what-fuck-is-up-montana</a>.<br /><br />From one of the <i>Morning Call</i> articles: "Orloski argued Thode would have received a better grade Ogre Proctor Hephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17428431147495287413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-15051819273522934332015-01-10T14:52:11.212-05:002015-01-10T14:52:11.212-05:00The fact remains that the student was otherwise pa...The fact remains that the student was otherwise passing and she failed because of the participation grade. Or, she got zero for participation even though she was, in fact, participating. The professor may be right that a person who argues too much and cries in class is not temperamentally suited for the profession. However, at this point, it still looks like she was prematurely rejected instead Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08103879727877816655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-36354889175904567012015-01-10T13:42:50.455-05:002015-01-10T13:42:50.455-05:00While it sounds like the gatekeeping function of t...While it sounds like the gatekeeping function of this particular course does, indeed, incur a risk of the professor abusing hir power, I, too, suspect that both were quite appropriately deployed in this case. Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-5163905826696020932015-01-10T10:23:00.766-05:002015-01-10T10:23:00.766-05:00I had to pick mine up off the floor.I had to pick mine up off the floor.BurntChromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06055976331443607569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-87471954192478488632015-01-09T21:41:21.810-05:002015-01-09T21:41:21.810-05:001. She had been planning to become a therapist. Bu...1. She had been planning to become a therapist. But she lacked the emotional resources to accept a challenge and do the necessary work to get past it. <br /><br />2. Her father is a professor at the college she was attending and suing.<br /><br />Can my jaw drop any lower?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02906546940408742913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-11458263658018803432015-01-09T15:29:20.168-05:002015-01-09T15:29:20.168-05:00In America? If so, yes.
Say, does anyone know who...In America? If so, yes.<br />Say, does anyone know whose arm is resting on the lady in question...that could be another lawsuit.Walt Lessunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543175448330140638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-6170860794384748722015-01-09T14:57:29.643-05:002015-01-09T14:57:29.643-05:00If I have a car and slash it's tires, then tha...If I have a car and slash it's tires, then that's going to prevent me from getting to work and will result in lost income. Do I sue the manufacturer?Emergency Mathematical Hologramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873569623797587860noreply@blogger.com