tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post5278403561551327997..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Melissa from Merced with Today's Early Thirsty.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-19772151016851843682012-02-29T23:50:33.305-05:002012-02-29T23:50:33.305-05:00you go girl!you go girl!Frank Intercoursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11392025581401087233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-85950520323940088742012-02-29T14:12:43.991-05:002012-02-29T14:12:43.991-05:00Hear, hear.Hear, hear.The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-31541682109532448642012-02-29T07:27:38.461-05:002012-02-29T07:27:38.461-05:00It's not just the silverback dickwads on the t...It's not just the silverback dickwads on the tenure committee. My brother, a dentist, has complained to me a number of times about professors who don't dress like professionals. He's put three daughters through grad school (two dentists, one biomedical engineer) so he has seen most of it.introvert.profhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09042783611716432247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-86447057513962305142012-02-29T03:22:24.567-05:002012-02-29T03:22:24.567-05:00I should have read down this far, because I just s...I should have read down this far, because I just said the same thing...Merely Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452389428113097744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-90362951391101961712012-02-29T03:21:40.319-05:002012-02-29T03:21:40.319-05:00So your male colleagues are dickwads. This is pro...So your male colleagues are dickwads. This is probably not news. In these parts if she didn't get tenure and there was any hint that it was because of her clothes the university would get slapped with a lawsuit double-quick, and it would lose, too. <br /><br />"The silverback assholes in these parts think you shouldn't wear jeans to teach, and they're on your tenure committee&Merely Academichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452389428113097744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-54331145220734111832012-02-28T22:59:31.861-05:002012-02-28T22:59:31.861-05:00I can see the logic behind junior colleagues dress...I can see the logic behind junior colleagues dressing to impress until tenure. You have to deal with the way things are, not the way you wish they would be. And "the way things are" varies by department. The best way to dress before tenure, as for an interview, is so no one remembers how you dress. <br /><br />But then after tenure every faculty member owes it to themselves to dress StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-30196635374003634922012-02-28T20:51:21.728-05:002012-02-28T20:51:21.728-05:00Thank the gods I work in an Art Department, where ...Thank the gods I work in an Art Department, where black denim jeans are formal wear. 'Oh, she's wearing the nice Converse today.'Polar Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09713477095763100821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-63244016747395763862012-02-28T20:03:09.029-05:002012-02-28T20:03:09.029-05:00If they are thin-ish female faculty, there are act...If they are thin-ish female faculty, there are actually ways to get fairly cheap business separates at Old Navy, Maurice's, Vanity, Forever 21, and even Overstock.com. I did it for years. Many suit coats from those places run about $20 rather than $70-$300 (Overstock is the high end of those). Maurice's and Old Navy do carry some larger sizes but the others just don't. <br /><br />My Little Proffiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14843685528001871813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-17133113272201148012012-02-28T18:28:44.558-05:002012-02-28T18:28:44.558-05:00I second MLP, but I still don't see a way arou...I second MLP, but I still don't see a way around the possibility that someone isn't being paid enough to maintain a professional wardrobe (and here, since we had this conversation a year or so ago, Programming Patty will chime in about how you just have to suck it up and buy on credit). I had to buck my mentor on this one -- if they didn't want to give me tenure because of the Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-42924677114906532652012-02-28T18:26:38.264-05:002012-02-28T18:26:38.264-05:00It seems a case of "when administered by Roma...It seems a case of "when administered by Romans, dress like one"?Vanfurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05190780610489813493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-51064038222857702162012-02-28T17:51:56.006-05:002012-02-28T17:51:56.006-05:00To Melissa,
If that's the case then that'...To Melissa,<br /><br />If that's the case then that's pretty much what you have to tell them. Rather than making it about THEIR dress, make it about the stupid admins who aren't likely to recognize them as instructors unless they dress a certain way. THEY really aren't doing anything wrong--the other folks are just rather rigid and set in their expectations.My Little Proffiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14843685528001871813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-7219494632466779182012-02-28T16:56:31.203-05:002012-02-28T16:56:31.203-05:00Melissa adds:
I want to follow up by say that man...<i>Melissa adds:</i><br /><br />I want to follow up by say that many of the young women I'm talking about are faculty members I mentor. I want them to reach T&P more easily, be taken more seriously by colleagues, and administrators, and I've heard first hand comments from male colleagues that would suggest none of this is happening.<br /><br />When the Dean asks me, "Who was thatCollege Miseryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01371354682300032653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-35426311695969868942012-02-28T16:40:37.608-05:002012-02-28T16:40:37.608-05:00Ah, the age old coded message in the clothes...and...Ah, the age old coded message in the clothes...and I'm with MLP and F+T on this one.<br /><br />Melissa, why do you care how your female colleagues dress? Since you asked, I'll ask one in return: WTF difference does it *really* make, at the end of the day? Are they effective teachers? Bully for them, if so! You may not be comfortable in what they're comfortable wearing; so what? As BurntChromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06055976331443607569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-58924531938987095582012-02-28T14:27:06.587-05:002012-02-28T14:27:06.587-05:00It also depends on the discipline, and subdiscipli...It also depends on the discipline, and subdiscipline. For some reason, all the biomed types (and anyone else that somehow collaborates with the medical/military-industrial-complex) wear business casual at a minimum, while all the environmental science (incl. ecology, physical geography, geology, chemistry, physics) types wear something suitable for a hike in the woods, while all the Germans, Prof Poopieheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997969128824319914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-52569587826943167042012-02-28T13:52:17.092-05:002012-02-28T13:52:17.092-05:00When I started, I showed up in coat and tie every ...When I started, I showed up in coat and tie every day. It wasn't a formal code, or even a casual suggestion from the chair, but just me needing to compensate for being much closer in age to my students than to most of my colleagues. It was also a clear visual cue for the students that I was in charge: my tie, my classroom.<br /><br />Nowadays I'm much more casual, mostly because I Silverback McGreybeardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18434170121684704440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-10847744041174778812012-02-28T13:21:23.318-05:002012-02-28T13:21:23.318-05:00As a TA, I've gotten dinged on my department (...As a TA, I've gotten dinged on my department (not student) evaluations for dressing "too casually"--when I used to wear jeans and a t-shirt on Fridays (because it was Friday). Most of the time I wear slacks and a nice shirt. On my non-teaching days, I wear jeans and a t-shirt even if I have to meet with a student for some reason. Those are my dissertation days; they can deal with meSnarky Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196509615328045888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-46024941374430093682012-02-28T13:13:17.789-05:002012-02-28T13:13:17.789-05:00Yeah, I'm wondering why the question itself is...Yeah, I'm wondering why the question itself is limited to the ladies.The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-24225861794391436012012-02-28T12:27:28.843-05:002012-02-28T12:27:28.843-05:00P.S. That's a joke, you know.P.S. That's a joke, you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-25109103808948067852012-02-28T12:26:40.799-05:002012-02-28T12:26:40.799-05:00You noticed this too! Yes, just about all the wome...You noticed this too! Yes, just about all the women at my university are dressing differently from how they used to dress. Now, they dress like this:<br /><br />http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID14650/images/Joan-Jett3.jpg<br /><br />Don't laugh, she's over 50.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-65216165234251057762012-02-28T12:00:43.318-05:002012-02-28T12:00:43.318-05:00I never get any dressier than business casual and ...I never get any dressier than business casual and have certainly taught in jeans and a t-shirt before. I'm frequently mistaken for a grad student and for someone much younger, but the vast majority of my students respect me because of my knowledge in the field and never comment on my clothing.<br /><br />I have had some interesting discussions about how to dress to look older/differentiate Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-2522745790501722322012-02-28T11:59:22.713-05:002012-02-28T11:59:22.713-05:00Uh, because that's what the question is.Uh, because that's what the question is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-87109258157322332902012-02-28T11:54:04.853-05:002012-02-28T11:54:04.853-05:00I wear "business casual"-tie but no jack...I wear "business casual"-tie but no jacket, and switch between new sneakers and boat shoes. That makes me one of the best dressed male proffies on campus. The women tend towards business attire.Middle-Aged and Morosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04046076243513948921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-83289763661389096702012-02-28T11:42:10.073-05:002012-02-28T11:42:10.073-05:00When I attended college, many of my best professor...When I attended college, many of my best professors were the ones who either looked as if they'd just rolled out of bed and picked up their clothes off the floor or at least dressed casually. I had several good ones who were "classic proffie" style: jacket with patches, sweater of some type, and cords. I was always under the impression that we should judge faculty on the quality ofEnglishDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046114978214062491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-42296609746422535262012-02-28T10:50:23.901-05:002012-02-28T10:50:23.901-05:00Why are we picking on the ladies here?
I am not ...Why are we picking on the ladies here? <br /><br />I am not sure what you mean by "sloppy dresser" but I wear business casual clothing (separates; shirt, pants, fitted jacket) to work rather than dressing up like I'm going out to eat at a fancy place. On days when I'm conferencing in my office, I'll wear cargo pants with my All-Star Converse or Keds if the outfit calls for The Contemplative Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088570661592922436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-13056991959158424102012-02-28T10:41:07.892-05:002012-02-28T10:41:07.892-05:00"I want to tell them to be sharper with their..."I want to tell them to be sharper with their [clothing] choices"?<br /><br />Really? A dress code?<br /><br />When I first started teaching, all of the students in my evening classes were 'way, 'way older than me--mostly retired Navy veterans. To get some kind of respect, I wore a sports coat and tie to every class. It worked. I don't need power clothes any more, so it&Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05244643308698776814noreply@blogger.com