tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post6344849362155822655..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Campus SafetyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-4712070051726874102011-12-07T05:24:42.822-05:002011-12-07T05:24:42.822-05:00Just read in the local paper about a woman surpris...Just read in the local paper about a woman surprised in the entryway to her apartment by two masked men, at least one carrying a gun. They asked her to go into her apartment with them. She screamed and struggled. They ran off. Nobody hurt. So, in my incredibly scientific n=1 study of how to react to when both outnumbered and out-gunned, the recommendation is to resist.AdjunctSlavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17025851491072402087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-1878557352056630542011-12-01T11:37:22.158-05:002011-12-01T11:37:22.158-05:00That's your answer? Suspicions confirmed. But ...That's your answer? Suspicions confirmed. But that means you aren't hanging around parking lots looking to attack people with half-cocked key-weapons, so that's a relief. I thought you were serious at first.Academic Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086078244493768565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-39851483223096757102011-11-30T16:24:53.692-05:002011-11-30T16:24:53.692-05:00Eh, I don't really care about the opinions of ...Eh, I don't really care about the opinions of armchair warriors. Self-defense has nothing to do with the Internet. I have thousands of hours of self-defense training, as I mentioned previously, and I train for many hours a week and have been doing so for many years. As I mentioned previously. Nor would I ever defend property, as I mentioned previously. I am not interested in attacking anyone,Programming Pattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03838328277067778125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-52305006136744316392011-11-30T13:45:14.824-05:002011-11-30T13:45:14.824-05:00Patty,
My god, I just realized: you have no idea ...Patty,<br /><br />My god, I just realized: you have no idea how to fight. You've never been in a fight before, have you.<br /><br />Guess what: if you attack somebody, they will kick your fucking ass. You can pretend its "defense" but that doesn't change the fact that poking some person with your keys -- and barely scratching them -- will only enrage them and probably lead to Academic Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086078244493768565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69454396146529147182011-11-29T15:30:59.519-05:002011-11-29T15:30:59.519-05:00We are discussing the pros of turning a pretend we...<em>We are discussing the pros of turning a pretend weapon on someone that is probably already more prepared than you to take you for what you've got.</em><br /><br />If you would prefer to accept violence inflicted upon you, that's your choice, Academic Monkey, but to suggest that everyone must do the same is a bit arrogant. Other people may wish to preserve their lives and keys offer anProgramming Pattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03838328277067778125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-33657272190943770292011-11-29T02:12:25.769-05:002011-11-29T02:12:25.769-05:00It's good to see that the RGM is keeping up wi...It's good to see that the RGM is keeping up with topical Amazon ads. (Did anyone else appreciate the Self-defense Keychain and the book on evolution?)Eskarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14854383335265386899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-73969452818358714302011-11-28T20:38:00.718-05:002011-11-28T20:38:00.718-05:00@Surly: we have graphics people-----for flyers, p...@Surly: we have graphics people-----for flyers, posters, anything we put up. It all has to be approved first. Doesn't everyone? The graphic incorrectly struck me as being a black on white crime. I realize that's not what it is----but I think the very dark perp and the very light victim give that impression at a quick glance. Maybe I am just sensitive to that kind of thing. Anyway, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-4603713965839722902011-11-28T20:31:56.080-05:002011-11-28T20:31:56.080-05:00Patty, we are not talking about either attack a pe...Patty, we are not talking about either attack a person empty-handed or attack a person with a flimsy weapon.<br /><br />(neither of which is AT ALL a good idea).<br /><br />We are discussing the pros of turning a pretend weapon on someone that is probably already more prepared than you to take you for what you've got.<br /><br />And I'm sorry, but your post made me laugh the same amount Academic Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086078244493768565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-82244492140290826382011-11-28T17:39:56.509-05:002011-11-28T17:39:56.509-05:00I usually curse in Russian [I don't think I re...I usually curse in Russian [I don't think I really need to curse though - just speak Russian out loud, say, one of Pushkin's poems will do] so nobody would want to deal with russian mafia. You know, like in that idiotic DirectTV ad.<br /><br />Frankly, I was several times in situations similar to those described by AM and never thought I could use keys. I usually ran as fast as I could [plasmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983069617439820699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-57683398169664994102011-11-28T16:13:26.787-05:002011-11-28T16:13:26.787-05:00Ok, Bella, I'll bite: why wouldn't "...Ok, Bella, I'll bite: why wouldn't "they" at your college like the graphic? What is objectionable about it?Surly Templehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05057191570792423261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-27206707483424331042011-11-28T15:30:53.186-05:002011-11-28T15:30:53.186-05:00encouraging that someone fight back with a half-co...<em>encouraging that someone fight back with a half-cocked "weapon" of keys seems really irresponsible.</em> <br /><br />I disagree. Encouraging people to fight back empty-handed, while it may be more "responsible," is probably less effective. The goal is to cause immediate pain and discomfort to the attacker so that he or she focusses on his own situation instead of on Programming Pattyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03838328277067778125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-42336728378880800162011-11-28T15:10:22.446-05:002011-11-28T15:10:22.446-05:00I think I'd be better off learning how to run ...I think I'd be better off learning how to run really fast and carry an air horn to startle anyone who has the guts to scare me.Ack-ademichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07662600560663571219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69596968455261262332011-11-28T14:02:02.935-05:002011-11-28T14:02:02.935-05:00I was mugged just off campus during grad school. ...I was mugged just off campus during grad school. The guy walked me to an ATM at gunpoint and demanded $300. You know what I did next? I withdrew and gave him $300.<br /><br />I've walked with my keys in my fist, too, but even if they were in my fist that night, I would have dropped them back in my pocket and given the $300 again. I'm still alive and unharmed.<br /><br />(And they Ruby from Richmondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02756121084410280787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-13357484220169182972011-11-28T11:08:46.558-05:002011-11-28T11:08:46.558-05:00I've been a victim of crime, just not the &quo...I've been a victim of crime, just not the "stranger jumps out at you" kind of crime. Is there a graphic for "frat boy gets you drunk and then abuses your body while you are passed out?"<br /><br />I loved the graphic, BTW.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-55276537121876531652011-11-28T10:37:49.401-05:002011-11-28T10:37:49.401-05:00Okay---I see my mistake. How could I miss the whi...Okay---I see my mistake. How could I miss the white hands? My bad on the graphic, and apologies all around---but I still don't think they'd like it at my college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44508870655710043512011-11-28T07:15:59.595-05:002011-11-28T07:15:59.595-05:00The image is definitely not supposed to indicate r...The image is definitely not supposed to indicate race, and I apologize for the confusion: it was supposed to look like a hooded figure jacking the forefinger.<br /><br />Oh well.<br /><br />Ben, I wholly disagree, as those who wield knives are far more likely to cut themselves than their intended victim (there is a study about this, but a quick good isn't showing it and I have to go to work..Academic Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086078244493768565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-55395678094873447352011-11-28T06:05:03.647-05:002011-11-28T06:05:03.647-05:00The "attacker" is wearing a ski mask in ...The "attacker" is wearing a ski mask in the graphic. The hands and face are white. <br /><br />I do the key thing when I'm jogging alone. It's supposed to be in case you're grabbed suddenly, and the assumption is that this would more likely happen to women as targets of rape. You're to aim for the attacker's eyes with one big jab and then run like hell. Thus, it&#Surly Templehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05057191570792423261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-40858917433115955562011-11-28T05:14:02.948-05:002011-11-28T05:14:02.948-05:00(um...looked like a hooded figure to me...and I li...(um...looked like a hooded figure to me...and I liked it.)Mrs. Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00398436173535554878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-12931650194745868322011-11-28T04:57:39.492-05:002011-11-28T04:57:39.492-05:00I'm not crazy about the graphic----why such a ...I'm not crazy about the graphic----why such a dramatic rendition of a black attacker and a white victim? Such a graphic would never fly where I work....<br /><br />Anyway, when I went to grad school, I lived in a high crime area, and I always walked around with a big ole can of mace in my hands, grim faced, watching everyone around me with a crazy look, ready to use it. The only time I everAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-70096885734934183042011-11-28T03:21:41.429-05:002011-11-28T03:21:41.429-05:00I've never been attacked or even threatened, s...I've never been attacked or even threatened, so I count myself lucky....I remember once being on a community college campus for an event and coming out into utter darkness because the light timers had been shut off (power outage during the day - I think) and all I could think was that it was the perfect set up to run around dressed like Klaus Maria Brandauer in "Mephisto."Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-26624921377651791052011-11-28T01:18:54.504-05:002011-11-28T01:18:54.504-05:00My graduate university was (well, is; it's sti...My graduate university was (well, is; it's still there) in a relatively poor, high-crime city. Our security department gave the same sort of advice about waling in groups, using the shuttle service, and other commonsense precautions like that.<br /><br />When it came to an actual confrontation, they always advised us to just give up the wallet/cellphone/computer. One good reason for this was Defunct Adjuncthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12954331373226016090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-77238035022288225872011-11-27T23:31:02.024-05:002011-11-27T23:31:02.024-05:00I'm sure I'm not alone when I assert that ...I'm sure I'm not alone when I assert that *that* is probably one of the best graphics ever to accompany a post. ell-ow-ell.Dr. Crankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544814759723000405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-88012873627845001122011-11-27T23:29:54.869-05:002011-11-27T23:29:54.869-05:00When I was a postdoc I lived in a neighbourhood wh...When I was a postdoc I lived in a neighbourhood where as soon as I got off the bus it was a default action to ball up my fist with my key chain inside, with the largest key protruding between my index and middle fingers. I then walked the 4 blocks to my apartment with my arm at my side or barely inside my pocket (not thrust deep into the pocket - if 2 muggers work in a team one grabs your arms Prof Poopieheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997969128824319914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-92105287883336639552011-11-27T22:25:11.984-05:002011-11-27T22:25:11.984-05:00I found this pretty illuminating:
http://www.samh...I found this pretty illuminating:<br /><br />http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence/<br /><br />To summarize: when placed in a threatening situation, your intent isn't to injure or incapacitate anyone, but just to get away from the threat ASAP. It's when you try to be a big man (woman?) and take out your attackers that people (you) get hurt.<br /><br />Don't agreeDr. Colossushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14470085457331712203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-5590053425416248412011-11-27T22:07:17.208-05:002011-11-27T22:07:17.208-05:00I never used walk with keys in hand until recently...I never used walk with keys in hand until recently. At my university, we've also had a very much publicized wave of attacks recently (mostly on men, and most weren't violent but one was). I realize walking with keys may not do much damage unless I am able to get close enough to a potential attacker to stab him (or her) in the eye with the keys, it gives me some consolation that having a Anthro Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01612319119404274650noreply@blogger.com