tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post6470858650084543814..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Sticker Shock. Alison from Alexandria Won't Be Applying to This Job.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-31204735119356710092010-11-25T22:58:25.482-05:002010-11-25T22:58:25.482-05:00I don't like to double post, even if it's ...I don't like to double post, even if it's by two days....<br /><br />@Aware and Scared<br /><br />The lack of accreditation has never stopped a Christian college in the past; they just emphasize the religious elements of the school more. I'm not trying to play the snarky bastard -that's just how they work. Never mention the negative(s); always accentuate the positive(s)....when I Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-60761693758722552862010-11-23T19:25:51.085-05:002010-11-23T19:25:51.085-05:00@Contingent Cassandra
Founders never leave at Fund...@Contingent Cassandra<br />Founders never leave at Fundamentalist Colleges; Bob Jones University was founded in the 1920s and a great-grandson is on the board today. The Hortons have never given up control of Pensacola Christian College (founded 1974.) And even if they did retire, the founders of these sorts of places would still give some sort of 2-3 hour rambling "sermon" at an Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-37892625349567916132010-11-23T18:14:32.917-05:002010-11-23T18:14:32.917-05:00Given the fact that, 20+ years after the school wa...Given the fact that, 20+ years after the school was founded, applications still go to the founder, I'd have concerns about faculty governance and long-term continuity as well as accreditation. There are plenty of perfectly good schools that are affiliated, loosely or closely, with one religious movement or another (including some Christian ones that wouldn't want me as a member of their Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-87185537433137740632010-11-23T15:36:12.840-05:002010-11-23T15:36:12.840-05:00>Anastasia said...
> I make more than th...>Anastasia said...<br /><br />> I make more than that. I pickpocket.<br /><br /><br />Not if you are picking the pocket the person who takes that job!I_am_not_nicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12164044353299362252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-18962258504266919392010-11-23T11:18:16.550-05:002010-11-23T11:18:16.550-05:00I think religious schools have a spotty sort of re...I think religious schools have a spotty sort of record of being able to offer reasonable salaries. There are lots of other reasons why a proffie might go there.W.T. Pfefferlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07522687306482305195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-72104176669661933742010-11-23T07:10:28.220-05:002010-11-23T07:10:28.220-05:00@Strelnikov
I agree about the bible diploma mill ...@Strelnikov<br /><br />I agree about the bible diploma mill comparison.<br /><br />However, I was noodling about the TRACS website and Midwest U actually has been required to "show cause" why their "accreditation" should not be revoked.<br /><br />If you can't keep even TRACS accreditation, that's pretty troubling. <br /><br />RE: Free medical/mental health care ... Aware and Scaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14700345349806280657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-86715083455602060312010-11-23T00:01:22.123-05:002010-11-23T00:01:22.123-05:00@Aware and Scared
Compared to any state school, Mi...@Aware and Scared<br />Compared to any state school, Midwest U. is a mediocre institution, but compared to some of the outright Christian paper mills* that exist, it's probably in the higher brackets. As long as they don't expel students for what they did on their Christmas vacations like Pensacola Christian College has in the past, then their "meh"-ness is assured.<br /><br />IStrelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-34292167783317378352010-11-22T22:55:28.645-05:002010-11-22T22:55:28.645-05:00From Midwest "University's" website:...From Midwest "University's" website:<br /><br />"The first building was erected in 1989 at 8909 BUNKUM Road, Fairview Heights, Illinois ..."<br /><br />Just can't make this up!<br /><br />(But, while this organization is appearing to be an outlier, what I posted about clinical training in psychology is the standard in the field. There are people with doctorates workingAware and Scaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14700345349806280657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-61091993930896560272010-11-22T22:32:10.669-05:002010-11-22T22:32:10.669-05:00> It's a private, evangelical, conservative...> It's a private, evangelical, conservative Christian university, founded by the aforementioned Dr. Song.<br /><br />Well! How very unchristian of him, then!<br /><br /><br />> It only works if you've been mindfucked into thinking their way.<br /><br />Well then! Anyone taking the job would get what they deseved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-47421818182806204732010-11-22T22:29:16.968-05:002010-11-22T22:29:16.968-05:00My dad was a professor (in the sciences). He made...My dad was a professor (in the sciences). He made about as much as that job posting, not counting benefits. The college was an extremely small one up here in the semi-rural north. Because he was so into the location he left another job to work in my hometown. The pay sucked but there were serious perks -- small class size, ability to get out of work before five sometimes, summers free to do Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-62588848954504543652010-11-22T22:21:43.510-05:002010-11-22T22:21:43.510-05:00Midwest U. is accredited through TRACS, an accredi...Midwest U. is accredited through TRACS, an accreditation system for Christian schools and colleges which probably holds very little water if you wanted to transfer from Midwest to a state school. Most of the Fundamentalist Christian colleges* avoid accreditation and the AAUP so thay can teach the maximum amount of Bible crap possible, skim on science, and pay the staff the cheesy wages you have Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-80478900414910860172010-11-22T21:06:45.123-05:002010-11-22T21:06:45.123-05:00It's a private, evangelical, conservative Chri...It's a private, evangelical, conservative Christian university, founded by the aforementioned Dr. Song.<br /><br />And my guess is he doesn't give a fuck about the AAUP.StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-36561090644278893572010-11-22T20:53:38.887-05:002010-11-22T20:53:38.887-05:00And the great irony of that is the San Diego real ...And the great irony of that is the San Diego real estate market has since collapsed. You can't teach and live in SD, you have to live in the county towns east of San Diego or the part of town north of La Jolla. And God help you if you teach at UCSD or USD; you'll have to live in the same places as an SDSU prof but the traffic snarls get worse the closer to the sea you get.Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44140468522390111192010-11-22T20:14:09.995-05:002010-11-22T20:14:09.995-05:00It's funny, but when the Department of Physics...It's funny, but when the Department of Physics at San Diego State tried to hire a tenure-track assistant professor in 2004 or 2005, the first four choices turned them down because they couldn't afford to buy houses in the San Diego area on the salary they were offering...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-88126013018257612582010-11-22T20:10:15.070-05:002010-11-22T20:10:15.070-05:00Hey, Wentzville has an outlet mall. And the person...Hey, Wentzville has an outlet mall. And the person who takes this position will probably be shopping there in the clearance section, if not working a second job in the food court!EnglishDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046114978214062491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-44755117234502471722010-11-22T20:07:22.438-05:002010-11-22T20:07:22.438-05:00If this is for real, someone should notify the AAU...If this is for real, someone should notify the AAUP about this. It should do whatever it can to let Dr. James Song and his superiors at Midwest University (provided these are all real names, I don't know) that this is pure-and-simple exploitation, inimical to academic, collegial, and human values, in favor of the pursuit of a false pragmatism. If this is real, I hope that what goes around, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-62323069146138542102010-11-22T19:29:18.071-05:002010-11-22T19:29:18.071-05:00I make more than that. I pickpocket.I make more than that. I pickpocket.Anastasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295576691711467656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-89683732159449585072010-11-22T19:16:44.887-05:002010-11-22T19:16:44.887-05:00I make more than that. I'm a grad student.I make more than that. I'm a grad student.Kurthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12230865912938107654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-71502048870027040752010-11-22T17:31:34.924-05:002010-11-22T17:31:34.924-05:00While it is inconceivable for a professor to be st...While it is inconceivable for a professor to be starting at that salary ... a bit of perspective.<br /><br />In the field of clinical psychology, one must complete a pre-doctoral internship. Competition is so fierce it is practically required that you move to secure it as local sites will be seeking "diversity." Average starting salary: $21,000<br /><br />THEN, once you've completedAware and Scaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14700345349806280657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-34884805943208350042010-11-22T17:28:05.098-05:002010-11-22T17:28:05.098-05:00Assuming this is before taxes, that's less tha...Assuming this is before taxes, that's less than I make as an adjunct teaching 6 - 7 classes.Chloe CommProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17292340580439806650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-1070159424395720412010-11-22T17:27:02.122-05:002010-11-22T17:27:02.122-05:00You know they're looking at a townie. Probabl...You know they're looking at a townie. Probably an in-bred with all three degrees from the same place right up the road, who has dutifully adjuncted for Midwest U. every summer, that already has a home/family established in lovely Wentzville, and whose spouse/parent is a long-time employee of Midwest U.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong- I'm not condoning this "offer" at all. Sawyer in Student Serviceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16463333151790071057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-4595114903221027522010-11-22T17:22:07.698-05:002010-11-22T17:22:07.698-05:00And you get to live in Wentzville, Missouri! Bonu...And you get to live in Wentzville, Missouri! Bonus!Great Lakes Gretahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08101613060478193833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-53194001245069713552010-11-22T17:02:55.625-05:002010-11-22T17:02:55.625-05:00That's not horribly much more than I was makin...That's not horribly much more than I was making adjuncting. Teaching 6 classes. Sheesh.Snarky Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04196509615328045888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-28342388750163002112010-11-22T16:44:34.423-05:002010-11-22T16:44:34.423-05:00Great jumping jellybeans. Please tell me that'...Great jumping jellybeans. Please tell me that's a misprint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69788540259365937722010-11-22T15:41:17.709-05:002010-11-22T15:41:17.709-05:00Criminal.Criminal.Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.com