tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post6600796413246952166..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: How do you fight sexists who are anti-sexism?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-70535814328383123402011-04-02T00:40:58.556-04:002011-04-02T00:40:58.556-04:00@Eskarina -- Aaargh. I *hate* it when a man appro...@Eskarina -- Aaargh. I *hate* it when a man appropriate a woman's idea and then all of a sudden it's a viable idea. That exact thing happens in a particular task force I serve on at every single meeting. I mean it. Every. Single. Meeting.Motor City Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02247660118316174690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-66175965973328165542011-03-29T19:49:07.609-04:002011-03-29T19:49:07.609-04:00Wow, a serious discussion about feminism and patri...Wow, a serious discussion about feminism and patriarchy and everyone's being collegial!<br /><br />I like to do a little consciousness raising in the classroom when it relates to curriculum. One class activity covers the laws and ethics of Basketweaving. Pairs of students pick a card with an ethical dilemma and have to identify which law applies, how it applies, and what the ethically Eskarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14854383335265386899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-24285593443646506822011-03-28T14:05:00.586-04:002011-03-28T14:05:00.586-04:00I emailed this around my department. No one comme...I emailed this around my department. No one commented via email...but several women have approached me to thank me for sending it...uh...thanks, y'all, from the ladies here at Humpshack U.!cmthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03814447289455034068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-8491694246208605772011-03-27T18:28:49.644-04:002011-03-27T18:28:49.644-04:00@Stella - Oh, yes, I don't doubt that many att...@Stella - Oh, yes, I don't doubt that many attempts to 'change the system' solely through changing the occupants of that system result in the continued perpetuation of patriarchal paradigms. But I would also reject the idea that a numerical majority, in such a situation, of women/racialized persons/etc generally results in a situation in which that new majority could be fairly said toCouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-21752553529789592582011-03-27T17:52:27.745-04:002011-03-27T17:52:27.745-04:00No one advocates for a power structure "domin...No one <i>advocates</i> for a power structure "dominated by those discriminated against in the past." <br /><br />Yet it often happens. Because the patriarchy, such as it is, is not really subverted by changing the genders and/or races of those that perpetuate it.<br /><br />When a woman says "don't volunteer for the child care committee" and "get on powerful StellafromSparksburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17584701718285662953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-61529461879043119092011-03-27T17:30:33.994-04:002011-03-27T17:30:33.994-04:00Since when is "perpetuating patriarchal struc...Since when is "perpetuating patriarchal structures" felonious? Last I heard, it was the status quo.<br /><br />honest_prof, asking men not to perpetuate patriarchal structures (quaint as that phrase seems) has very little to do with not sexually harrassing women, if that's what you were referring to -- which in any case is not a felony. Not sexually harrassing woman is a great Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-21725423375725990122011-03-27T17:19:27.038-04:002011-03-27T17:19:27.038-04:00"I am not interested in simply replacing the ..."I am not interested in simply replacing the current power structure with another, even if the new one is now dominated by those discriminated in the past."<br /><br />In all my equity work, I have yet to hear anyone actually advocate for a power structure "dominated by those discriminated [against] in the past" (and discriminated against in the present, too, I might add).<br CouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-27299001285319742342011-03-27T17:06:37.696-04:002011-03-27T17:06:37.696-04:00I am all for equity. However, and I believe I may...I am all for equity. However, and I believe I may be expressing a common concern from the "privileged", I am not interested in simply replacing the current power structure with another, even if the new one is now dominated by those discriminated in the past. This goal is not noble, even if it helps the gender or race balance.<br /><br />It looks like some of the comments above reflectabysshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262945566870649768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-75373276271724351672011-03-27T16:36:52.910-04:002011-03-27T16:36:52.910-04:00What about a compromise -- 'How to succeed at ...What about a compromise -- 'How to succeed at not being felonious'? :-p<br /><br />Really, though, the (likely) assumption of many potential male participants that such a seminar *would* be based around "accusing [them] of felonious behaviour" illustrates the sort of fundamental misunderstandings of equity efforts that are expressed by the comments on The Chronicle piece. It CouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-87813597102989893002011-03-27T16:00:59.708-04:002011-03-27T16:00:59.708-04:00I suspect more people would sign up for the "...I suspect more people would sign up for the "how to succeed" seminars, rather than the one accusing us of felonious behavior. I mean if your goal is to make a change in the way people think.abysshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262945566870649768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-91598564314425036182011-03-27T14:51:52.903-04:002011-03-27T14:51:52.903-04:00If there was a real commitment to women's equa...If there was a real commitment to women's equality in the academy, instead of 'how to succeed' seminars for female scholars, there would be 'how not to perpetuate patriarchal structures' seminars for male ones.CouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-3594146748304542612011-03-27T14:40:26.200-04:002011-03-27T14:40:26.200-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-6152917463719985732011-03-27T14:39:23.288-04:002011-03-27T14:39:23.288-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-80043175635998991162011-03-27T13:55:43.855-04:002011-03-27T13:55:43.855-04:00@klytaimnestra
re: hair, me too! Once when it got...@klytaimnestra<br /><br />re: hair, me too! Once when it got cut way too short, an undergrad stopped me and said "Sir, may I have the time?" In the moment, I was pleased to have been androgynous enough to confuse him; in retrospect, I think I was trying to get the respect of my male colleagues.<br /><br />It's so strange how important physical image can be to identity.Academic Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086078244493768565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-12819152339786440162011-03-27T13:53:08.189-04:002011-03-27T13:53:08.189-04:00Ha,seminars
*pfft*
At every seminar I have been...Ha,seminars <br /><br />*pfft*<br /><br />At every seminar I have been to, they spend the entire time talking about why it's important to do something a certain way but never actually tell you how to do it.<br /><br />Sometimes, when I go to a seminar (and usually because my Deanflake wants me to) I often wonder if I am watching grant money be re-directed to "other" things than the Emergency Mathematical Hologramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873569623797587860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-61612595740890288542011-03-27T13:19:58.003-04:002011-03-27T13:19:58.003-04:00I agree with Frog and Toad, for my field as well; ...I agree with Frog and Toad, for my field as well; "feminist" theory is apparently not real scholarship, work on male authors if you were planning to get a job, pretend to be a boy. <br /><br />I remember I cut my hair short all the way through grad school and it was only when I got a job that I realized it was in order not to be too obviously female. (Once I realized this, I grew my Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-73202988142203816622011-03-27T09:53:52.316-04:002011-03-27T09:53:52.316-04:00In my department, the women hold a lot of powerful...In my department, the women hold a lot of powerful positions and talk pretty freely -- but this seems to be on the condition that they never, ever mention women's issues, get angry, or say anything overtly feminist. Furthermore, it's clear that feminist and queer theory are not theory, that is, not Continental philosophy, so those of us who do the former are de facto not as serious Frog and Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06377542172335502858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-43695134167410630372011-03-27T08:50:30.114-04:002011-03-27T08:50:30.114-04:00I'm in a field that is probably, at this point...I'm in a field that is probably, at this point, majority-female, with female department chairs a common phenomenon, so that may play a role, as may my general tendency not to notice social dynamics as much as most women (and many men) do (I'm not completely clueless, but I'm not as tuned-in as many women). However, I haven't seen a lot of the women-not-getting-to-talk problem, Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-19853290993239211152011-03-27T08:05:32.860-04:002011-03-27T08:05:32.860-04:00@The Myth (prepare for ironic moment)
"Isn&#...@The Myth (prepare for ironic moment)<br /><br />"Isn't the classroom bias of teachers calling on males first in class pretty well established in the literature of sociology and pedagogy?"<br /><br />Actually, it has been shown to be, well, mythical.<br /><br />Not to say that the phenomenon women sharing here does not exist, but the "who gets called on in class" Aware and Scaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14700345349806280657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-2962693035423468602011-03-27T02:13:52.203-04:002011-03-27T02:13:52.203-04:00I think drunk_in_a_mid was correct, there should b...I think drunk_in_a_mid was correct, there should be more pressure on us white males to educate ourselves. However, experience has taught me that I can not be a champion of these issues, it is not my place. I can be a small part of the solution,<br /><br />And I join others in applauding Mitch on the post. A issue we know abot, but always good to see new views.abysshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07262945566870649768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-43557871991248101542011-03-27T01:29:58.389-04:002011-03-27T01:29:58.389-04:00@drunk in a midnight choir - honest_prof said that...@drunk in a midnight choir - honest_prof said that that's exactly what he *doesn't* want to do. And I certain don't think he is "putting the onus" on women to teach him just by asking for strategies by which he can respond to it. This post asks that very question in its title, in fact.<br /><br />Of course when we experience (or witness, or hear of) sexist behaviour in the CouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-4000892694790336562011-03-27T01:02:21.547-04:002011-03-27T01:02:21.547-04:00@honest_prof Sometimes I feel a little discriminat...@honest_prof Sometimes I feel a little discriminated against. It happens in faculty meetings, committee meetings, on my evaluations, and even at the car dealer. Like Mitch I, too, have noticed these things. So has my husband now that I've brought it to his attention.<br /><br />Ok. So now a female colleague has brought this to yout attention. The best thing you can do now is like suggested Crazy Math Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409653814917911532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-5973390597197039312011-03-27T00:21:12.185-04:002011-03-27T00:21:12.185-04:00Isn't the classroom bias of teachers calling o...Isn't the classroom bias of teachers calling on males first in class pretty well established in the literature of sociology and pedagogy? (As I recall, the males are often gung-ho to answer, even with a wrong answer, as a form of one-upsmanship. And from personal experience, they can get quite bitter and pissy when you start trying to get others to answer first. A hand in the air means oneThe_Mythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10621186404597424842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-77909857551594088722011-03-26T23:47:17.285-04:002011-03-26T23:47:17.285-04:00@Honest Prof
I'd like you to look at how what...@Honest Prof<br /><br />I'd like you to look at how what you've said above puts the onus on the CM community / your female (and racialized) colleagues to teach you instead of putting the onus on yourself to go out and learn. (And I'm pointing this out, gently, because it's a big part of having /not seeing privilege.)<br /><br />There are tons of sources on gendered and raced buddhaontheroadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03839390074273473377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-76044056299077189642011-03-26T23:38:14.355-04:002011-03-26T23:38:14.355-04:00@honest_prof - While it's true you shouldn'...@honest_prof - While it's true you shouldn't expect your female colleagues to be responsible for teaching you these things, many women (like Mitch and other commenting-people here) have already described specific manifestations of inequality that you and your male colleagues should attend to. If you start with those, and also take an active role in calling other men's attention to theCouldBeBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17494567309967997639noreply@blogger.com