tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post7313981658023856575..comments2023-10-15T04:23:50.187-04:00Comments on College Misery: Do they need to show up?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-75247774993989307582011-08-24T00:02:53.367-04:002011-08-24T00:02:53.367-04:00@Sawyer: That's been part of the reason I take...@Sawyer: That's been part of the reason I take such a hard line on attendance those first two weeks. I have had students actually come to me after talking with someone in the financial aid office or our counseling center asking me to reinstate them so that they could drop themselves after whatever that magic date is that allows them to keep the financial aid money. I am not going to defraud EnglishDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046114978214062491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-41227887838302933542011-08-23T21:30:39.364-04:002011-08-23T21:30:39.364-04:00@Sawyer: we report "never attended"s and...@Sawyer: we report "never attended"s and "stopped attending"s, but only at the end of the semester, as part of final grading (at which point they've probably spent the loan money). To the best of my knowledge we can't drop non-attendees; they have to do it themselves (and can still get at least a partial refund for several weeks after the beginning of the semester). Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-35353288976716606422011-08-23T11:42:11.673-04:002011-08-23T11:42:11.673-04:00Maybe I've just been at high default schools, ...Maybe I've just been at high default schools, but the federal government (gettin' all up in everybody's bidness) requires schools to report students who don't show up the first two weeks. I've heard it called "Attended/Never Attended Roster" and "12th class day report." The thinking is if a student doesn't show up they get their free gubmint money Sawyer in Student Serviceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16463333151790071057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-1533824958276507582011-08-23T11:11:23.014-04:002011-08-23T11:11:23.014-04:00That comment had a link when I previewed it. Here...That comment had a link when I previewed it. Here it is again, the quick and dirty way: http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/preparing-the-student-or-preparing-the-students-path/35539Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-70537970134068987952011-08-23T11:10:02.639-04:002011-08-23T11:10:02.639-04:00ProfHacker has a post about "helicopter facul...ProfHacker has <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/preparing-the-student-or-preparing-the-students-path/35539" rel="nofollow">a post about "helicopter faculty" </a> today (which strikes me as straying pretty close to CM's usual territory, though of course in more polite language). I'd say your colleagues qualify, in spades.Contingent Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08161652083031423415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69057111247668798892011-08-23T10:05:15.482-04:002011-08-23T10:05:15.482-04:00"making students too responsible and not bein..."making students too responsible and not being responsible enough as faculty."<br /><br />I think they have this exactly back to front. Dropping students automatically after one week of non-attendance isn't giving them responsibility. It's babying them by trying to enforce using rules what they should be doing voluntarily in the first place.<br /><br />Personally, I don't Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08152778218277191283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-11648889122161895372011-08-23T00:31:30.839-04:002011-08-23T00:31:30.839-04:00This is wonderful news. We might not be able to st...This is wonderful news. We might not be able to stop the problem of grade inflation, but ensuring the buggers are actually attending class is really important -- why not just purchase an "A" if class attendance is not required at all? Fill out random history papers or sociology analyses or random lab numbers and call it a day? Participation is mandatory for one to gain an education. I Academic Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07086078244493768565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-14005556859646591232011-08-22T23:50:40.149-04:002011-08-22T23:50:40.149-04:00You want to fuck with their little pea brains, Eng...You want to fuck with their little pea brains, EnglishDoc?<br /><br />Let them avoid class, but mention stuff in lecture they would never pick up on just doing the readings, then make the lecture material integral to passing any of the tests.<br /><br />Or just give random pop quizes that count for 45% of the grade.Strelnikovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12660962615198939441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-56200754564815849252011-08-22T23:00:24.357-04:002011-08-22T23:00:24.357-04:00@FML: Haven't they been dropped on their heads...@FML: Haven't they been dropped on their heads enough?<br /><br />@EnglishDoc: That some of your colleagues are up in arms about students taking responsibility scares the whiskey out of me. And the gin. And the tequila. And the . . ., well you get the idea. We have a very strict policy. No show the first day, you're dropped. Period. If there are more butts than seats available, I Pat from Peoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15000391060452089151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2883226237165701608.post-69999759707959571632011-08-22T22:45:31.555-04:002011-08-22T22:45:31.555-04:00I wish my uni allowed me to drop students...on the...I wish my uni allowed me to drop students...on their heads.Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653265363298375065noreply@blogger.com