I would like to send her a note about formatting PowerPoint slides, because hers are horrid. But...well...it's a bit refreshing to hear someone talk candidly about (a) sex on campus and (b) men's (not women's) sexual prowess.
Now...I'd like to think that all of us, men and women alike, would have Respect and Decency and would not rate one another's sexual performance on the internetz. I really would. But in the interim...not too much text on a slide, girlfriend.
Haha, Beaker Ben. I think this is one of those things that's only potentially harmful because someone saw it and passed it around and now lots of people saw it. It's actually reasonably amusing.
But I do want to say my piece about gender equality blah blah. I don't think she ought to be praised for doing what men have done for years. Not because men can do it and women can't; because being that promiscuous is a little bit icky. So kind of no one ought to do it. Or well, they can do what they want, but I don't think anyone ought to get high-fived for it. Guys who sleep around are sluts, not playboys. And girls who sleep around are sluts, too.
So, yeah. I don't care that this happened. She shouldn't be expelled, Strelnikov, in my opinion. But she oughtn't be praised, either. She's a somewhat entertaining and creative slut, basically.
Geez, FreudianQuip, what difference does it make how many people a man or a woman sleeps with? It might affect my personal choice of whether or not to sleep with them myself - I have monogamous tendencies so I'd want to wait until they were out of their testing-the-new-equipment part of their life cycle - but the slut-shaming is a little old-fashioned don't you think? If she were cheating on exams or plagiarizing her papers or robbing the poor or selling crack to school-kids - or if she was drugging these young men in order to have her way with them, for that matter - THAT would be shameful. And also illegal. But it sounds as if she's spending her leisure time in a legal, pleasant and (highly) social pastime. How is that bad?
Now, if she was going to do a write-up it would have been a good idea not to send it to a few friends. But at least the write-up is funny.
@ FreudianQuip It's not the sleeping around that annoys me, it's that she's running with something that most people would disown. So it's a choice: be a media whore* or be a college student - you can't be both.
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* Media whores come from both sexes and are pretty much the streakers of today. Internet media creates them, basic cable exploits them (Tosh.o), they are the expendible "bread and circuses" of our age.
I don't know if sleeping with 13 guys in college qualifies as 'promiscuous' if we're talking about 13 guys over the course of four years. That averages about 3.3 per year, which is actually a fairly conservative number for many college students, and even for some adults. Of course, 13 guys per semester is a bit much. I haven't read enough of the PowerPoint document to know which is more accurate. But to be promiscuous is not merely about numbers; it's also about your relationship with your sexual partners. If you hop into bed with someone you've known for five minutes, yeah, that'd be promiscuous in my book. But if you are a serial dater whose relationships simply don't work out after a few months, I would not be so quick to say that's promiscuous. It seems like this woman behaved more like the former, but I couldn't slog through all forty-odd pages of her PowerPoint to know for sure.
This woman's transgression was not sleeping with 13 guys over the course of four years, but assembling this ridiculous, embarrassing, and potentially harmful PowerPoint document and sharing it with three of her untrustworthy friends. That was a crummy thing to do to her sexual partners. She should have kept her sexual exploits diary private. It was a stupid mistake which she regrets, but I'll reserve my judgement of her until I see whether or not she'll accept any of the book and movie deals that will surely come her way.
@ Strelnikov - "So it's a choice: be a media whore* or be a college student - you can't be both. "
Why on earth can't you be both? I'm not seeing a problem here. So long as she's studying, keeping her grades up, and getting her papers in on time (and written by herself), what does it matter how she spends her spare time, as long as it's legal?
@ Programming Patty - agreed, she should not have written up her 13 partners (which strikes me as moderate too, but I was an undergraduate in the 70's) and given the document to her friends in electronic format. But which of us did not spend long evenings with our friends trashing whatever sex partner had most recently broken our hearts? And then remembering the ones who'd notably broken our hearts before that ... I mean, what else do we expect undergraduates do with their time?
Sorry - I should add: writing it down is more indiscreet than just telling your friends all about it (usually while drunk). And writing it down in electronic format is not only indiscreet but foolish if you were expecting it not to get spread around. But it comes from the same impulse, and one can understand it.
I would like to send her a note about formatting PowerPoint slides, because hers are horrid. But...well...it's a bit refreshing to hear someone talk candidly about (a) sex on campus and (b) men's (not women's) sexual prowess.
ReplyDeleteNow...I'd like to think that all of us, men and women alike, would have Respect and Decency and would not rate one another's sexual performance on the internetz. I really would. But in the interim...not too much text on a slide, girlfriend.
If having sex with 13 guys in college gets you a book or movie, I know some people who should be awarded mini-series!
ReplyDeleteExpel her.
ReplyDeleteWait, you lose points for being Canadian? I'm wounded.
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly, no professors topped her list.
ReplyDeleteHaha, Beaker Ben. I think this is one of those things that's only potentially harmful because someone saw it and passed it around and now lots of people saw it. It's actually reasonably amusing.
ReplyDeleteBut I do want to say my piece about gender equality blah blah. I don't think she ought to be praised for doing what men have done for years. Not because men can do it and women can't; because being that promiscuous is a little bit icky. So kind of no one ought to do it. Or well, they can do what they want, but I don't think anyone ought to get high-fived for it. Guys who sleep around are sluts, not playboys. And girls who sleep around are sluts, too.
So, yeah. I don't care that this happened. She shouldn't be expelled, Strelnikov, in my opinion. But she oughtn't be praised, either. She's a somewhat entertaining and creative slut, basically.
Geez, FreudianQuip, what difference does it make how many people a man or a woman sleeps with? It might affect my personal choice of whether or not to sleep with them myself - I have monogamous tendencies so I'd want to wait until they were out of their testing-the-new-equipment part of their life cycle - but the slut-shaming is a little old-fashioned don't you think? If she were cheating on exams or plagiarizing her papers or robbing the poor or selling crack to school-kids - or if she was drugging these young men in order to have her way with them, for that matter - THAT would be shameful. And also illegal. But it sounds as if she's spending her leisure time in a legal, pleasant and (highly) social pastime. How is that bad?
ReplyDeleteNow, if she was going to do a write-up it would have been a good idea not to send it to a few friends. But at least the write-up is funny.
@ FreudianQuip
ReplyDeleteIt's not the sleeping around that annoys me, it's that she's running with something that most people would disown. So it's a choice: be a media whore* or be a college student - you can't be both.
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* Media whores come from both sexes and are pretty much the streakers of today. Internet media creates them, basic cable exploits them (Tosh.o), they are the expendible "bread and circuses" of our age.
I don't know if sleeping with 13 guys in college qualifies as 'promiscuous' if we're talking about 13 guys over the course of four years. That averages about 3.3 per year, which is actually a fairly conservative number for many college students, and even for some adults. Of course, 13 guys per semester is a bit much. I haven't read enough of the PowerPoint document to know which is more accurate. But to be promiscuous is not merely about numbers; it's also about your relationship with your sexual partners. If you hop into bed with someone you've known for five minutes, yeah, that'd be promiscuous in my book. But if you are a serial dater whose relationships simply don't work out after a few months, I would not be so quick to say that's promiscuous. It seems like this woman behaved more like the former, but I couldn't slog through all forty-odd pages of her PowerPoint to know for sure.
ReplyDeleteThis woman's transgression was not sleeping with 13 guys over the course of four years, but assembling this ridiculous, embarrassing, and potentially harmful PowerPoint document and sharing it with three of her untrustworthy friends. That was a crummy thing to do to her sexual partners. She should have kept her sexual exploits diary private. It was a stupid mistake which she regrets, but I'll reserve my judgement of her until I see whether or not she'll accept any of the book and movie deals that will surely come her way.
"...I'll reserve my judgement of her until I see whether or not she'll accept any of the book and movie deals that will surely come her way."
ReplyDeleteMe too. She'll lose all my respect if she doesn't manage to make money off this.
@ Strelnikov - "So it's a choice: be a media whore* or be a college student - you can't be both. "
ReplyDeleteWhy on earth can't you be both? I'm not seeing a problem here. So long as she's studying, keeping her grades up, and getting her papers in on time (and written by herself), what does it matter how she spends her spare time, as long as it's legal?
@ Programming Patty - agreed, she should not have written up her 13 partners (which strikes me as moderate too, but I was an undergraduate in the 70's) and given the document to her friends in electronic format. But which of us did not spend long evenings with our friends trashing whatever sex partner had most recently broken our hearts? And then remembering the ones who'd notably broken our hearts before that ... I mean, what else do we expect undergraduates do with their time?
Sorry - I should add: writing it down is more indiscreet than just telling your friends all about it (usually while drunk). And writing it down in electronic format is not only indiscreet but foolish if you were expecting it not to get spread around. But it comes from the same impulse, and one can understand it.
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